You forgot the part about where he then looks at his bank account and determines if cost of the team's need might impact his ever-growing profits. Profits - not team needs, not wins, not Super Bowls, not fan goodwill - always come first in Bengaldom.

 

Agreed. I just posted something similar in another thread. Business always comes first for Mikey.

Who in Southern Ohio or Kentucky is on Palmer's side?

 

I am on the side that gives the Bengals the best chance to win, and that is having Carson Palmer here playing. So I am glad he has not traded him.

 

I believe that family has a lot to do with his decision, because I believe they want to be back on the West Coast. Also I believe at the beginnign the retirement thing was more of a bluff to have a powerplay to try to get traded to the West Coast. I saw a guy at the end of the year with the young guys, who was really enjoying playing. Then all of a sudden he wanted traded, so I do think that has to do a lot with his family. So the only way he could get leverage to get traded is to try to retire if they don't. Now that he is finding out that man they really won't trade him, he has put himself into a corner. Does he swallow his pride and basically admit he was bluffing, or does he give up football. So I am glad Mike Brown is doing this, and if he really does stay retired, then trade him next year.

I am on the side that gives the Bengals the best chance to win, and that is having Carson Palmer here playing. So I am glad he has not traded him.

 

I believe that family has a lot to do with his decision, because I believe they want to be back on the West Coast. Also I believe at the beginnign the retirement thing was more of a bluff to have a powerplay to try to get traded to the West Coast. I saw a guy at the end of the year with the young guys, who was really enjoying playing. Then all of a sudden he wanted traded, so I do think that has to do a lot with his family. So the only way he could get leverage to get traded is to try to retire if they don't. Now that he is finding out that man they really won't trade him, he has put himself into a corner. Does he swallow his pride and basically admit he was bluffing, or does he give up football. So I am glad Mike Brown is doing this, and if he really does stay retired, then trade him next year.

 

How exactly does him being retired help the Bengals chance of winning? What did I miss?

How exactly does him being retired help the Bengals chance of winning? What did I miss?

 

You have to hold out hope that he does what 99.9% of the players in sports does - changes his mind and comes back. Him coming back helps the chances of winning. You are assuming he stays retired. The other side of this are hoping he comes back.

 

How does trading him help the Bengals win THIS SEASON?

You have to hold out hope that he does what 99.9% of the players in sports does - changes his mind and comes back. Him coming back helps the chances of winning. You are assuming he stays retired. The other side of this are hoping he comes back.

 

It isn't going to happen. He'll come back next year when his contract will put the team well over the cap, and Brown will have no choice but to trade him for a ton less than he could get this year.

How does trading Palmer help the Bengals win THIS SEASON?

How does trading Palmer help the Bengals win THIS SEASON?

 

It doesn't this season. It does going forward. How does holding on to him retired help the team win this season, or in the future? And don't give me the "they're hoping he comes back" weak argument.

How exactly does him being retired help the Bengals chance of winning? What did I miss?

 

Players do change their mind. Also it could have just been a bluff all along. I mean what other leverage does a player have, if he wants to be traded. We have seen other players demand trades here, which didn't work. So saying he would retire, actually gave him some leverage in trying to get traded. Obviously it didn't work either, however by doing that it did give him some leverage that most players don't have when asking to be traded. Now we get to see if he really does mean it. I know it sure looks like he really will retire, but lets not forget the key to any good bluff is by making it look like your serious.

It isn't going to happen. He'll come back next year when his contract will put the team well over the cap, and Brown will have no choice but to trade him for a ton less than he could get this year.

 

I have heard people say that even if they wait until next year, they could still possibly get a 2nd round pick for him or at worst a 3rd. So the only real value they will lose, is the possibility of MAYBE getting a 1st round pick for him, which they might have not gotten anyways.

It doesn't this season. It does going forward. How does holding on to him retired help the team win this season, or in the future? And don't give me the "they're hoping he comes back" weak argument.

 

You lose nothing by keeping him. You might even get a better deal mid season when some contending team loses their starting QB and is desperate. If Dalton is looking good at mid season, pull the trigger on a deal if a good one is there. I just see zero advantage in trading him now. There is some slight advantage in holding on to him.

You have to hold out hope that he does what 99.9% of the players in sports does - changes his mind and comes back. Him coming back helps the chances of winning. You are assuming he stays retired. The other side of this are hoping he comes back.

 

How does trading him help the Bengals win THIS SEASON?

 

The Bengals aren't going to win anything this season. No way they're a .500 club, much less a team with a remotely-realistic chance of reaching the playoffs or Super Bowl. So Palmer does come back - I'm guessing with a slightly less-than-enthusiastic attitude and mindset - and behind a very average offensive line, untested receiving corps, a brand new OC with no NFL play-calling experience, and possibly without their top RB. So what? He takes them from miserable to just very bad? Time to plan for the future and the future doesn't include Palmer. He's got value now and I say you get what you can for that value in the hopes of brighter winning future. (Obviously, that future will never arrive, but it's the time of year for Bengal fans to annually delude ourselves that change/improvement is just around the corner). I don't care about the precedence it sets, whether it goes against Brown's personal philosophy/ethics, or lets Palmer off the hook. Build a winning program and you won't have players in the prime of their career seriously deciding whether retirement is a more palatable option than playing another season under Bengaldom drudgery.

How does trading Palmer help the Bengals win THIS SEASON?

 

The Eagles got a really good CB for their QB and a really good draft pick. Couldn't they trade him for a CURRENT player?

 

Anyone supporting a Mike Brown football decision won't like how they end up looking.

I have heard people say that even if they wait until next year, they could still possibly get a 2nd round pick for him or at worst a 3rd. So the only real value they will lose, is the possibility of MAYBE getting a 1st round pick for him, which they might have not gotten anyways.

 

Who? IMO an already declining QB that isn't getting younger sitting out an entire year getting rusty won't be as valuable next year as he is today.

The Bengals aren't going to win anything this season. No way they're a .500 club, much less a team with a remotely-realistic chance of reaching the playoffs or Super Bowl. So Palmer does come back - I'm guessing with a slightly less-than-enthusiastic attitude and mindset - and behind a very average offensive line, untested receiving corps, a brand new OC with no NFL play-calling experience, and possibly without their top RB. So what? He takes them from miserable to just very bad? Time to plan for the future and the future doesn't include Palmer. He's got value now and I say you get what you can for that value in the hopes of brighter winning future. (Obviously, that future will never arrive, but it's the time of year for Bengal fans to annually delude ourselves that change/improvement is just around the corner). I don't care about the precedence it sets, whether it goes against Brown's personal philosophy/ethics, or lets Palmer off the hook. Build a winning program and you won't have players in the prime of their career seriously deciding whether retirement is a more palatable option than playing another season under Bengaldom drudgery.

 

The Bengals played the toughest schedule in the league last year I believe I heard. They had 8 of their losses come down until the final 3 minutes of the game, or the final possession. Some of you act like the Bengals just flat out got dominated last year and sucked, when that is not true. They played really good teams, and were in each of them but couldn't make the plays at the end. Which is why their record was what it was. Now this year they play a much easier schedule, especially to start the year. With Palmer they could get off to a quick start, which would give this young team confidence, and if you have confidence then anything can happen.

 

As for the receivers the young receivers did pass TWO HUGE TEST last year at the end of the year. They played two top five defenses to end the year in the Chargers, and the Ravens. The Chargers were the hottest team in the NFL and fighting for the playoffs, the Bengals ended their playoff hopes. The Ravens played all their starters and were trying to win the division title, and the young receivers once again had huge games and were 5 yards away from winning that game. This team does have talent, and is not as far off as people make it out to be. With Palmer they can win this year, and compete for the division. Without him, we have no idea how they will do. It would depend how quickly Dalton picks up the NFL game, or if Bruce could do well. Both of those are big question marks, with Palmer they would have a much better chance to win this year which is what they still want to do.

Granted the circumstances are different, but take Chad from a few years ago, had he threatened retirement, what kind of reaction would he have gotten? It was his position that people would be outraged by his actions whereas the majority are on Palmer's side today. This question has been brought up by Chad before and mentioned this week on 1st and 10.

 

Is it a WR thing? Mike Brown thing? Racial thing? Ocho thing?

 

Ocho and CP thing. CP has never uttered a bad word about anyone or fought a coach. CP has been a company man his entire time here. So much so that he's been criticized for not openly questioning Mike Brown and being more of a vocal leader calling out WR's running bad routes. 85 has been an 85 fan for a long long time. Also, CP saved smartly and wisely and I'm guessing he has had a plan from day 1 as to how he wanted this to go. Mike Brown is widely regarded as the worst owner in the NFL when it comes to fan friendliness and trying to win football games. Anyone that supports this move is supporting a guy that swings and misses 95% of the time. The only reason Marvin Lewis was hired was they couldn't sell tickets. The only reason they have two winning seasons is b/c CP was a very good QB and still is better than half the guys in the NFL. They got extremely lucky to get CP. Their record without Boomer and CO speaks for itself.