God helps those who help themselves, we're going in circles here. I could just as easily tell the joke about the woman that begs god to win the lottery but fails to buy a lottery ticket, there are alot of people out their like that; willing to put in the work to get ahead in life but still don't recognize when they miss the smallest of details that will greatly help them get ahead. I honestly feel like alot of Americans anymore live in "tv land" where they think if they live right for the most part and do what should help their situation(based completely on hollywood happy ending stories)...... atleast for the most part, then it will all work out, and unfortunately that's just not the case.

 

FWIW that is not scriptural

Jim, far from a "whining millionaire" --I'm in the same boat as you, trying to pay the bills, save for retirement and putting a couple of kids through college--I'm just probably placing the blame elsewhere vs. falling for the phony "class warfare" argument the left has been pedaling for 80 years!! Consider myself a conservative that supports a smaller government, a free market system, help for our struggling companies via less regulation, a flat tax, etc.; and I'm not looking for Washington to solve many of my problems, but rather just get the heck out of the way!!

 

Pure free market with small government gives you the Massey mine disaster, BP Oil Wells, child labor and slave wages. If Companies were benevolent and rewarded the workers there would be no need for Unions. However, when the target is the bottom line . . .

 

If you set up companies where workers have some ownership in it - like Toyota and other Japanese companies - then Unions become obsolete.

Pure free market with small government gives you the Massey mine disaster, BP Oil Wells, child labor and slave wages. If Companies were benevolent and rewarded the workers there would be no need for Unions. However, when the target is the bottom line . . .

 

If you set up companies where workers have some ownership in it - like Toyota and other Japanese companies - then Unions become obsolete.

 

And some would argue that without the greed of unions and the ungodly amount of government red tape, regulations, etc. imposed on corporations, that they could afford to be benevolent??

And some would argue that without the greed of unions and the ungodly amount of government red tape, regulations, etc. imposed on corporations, that they could afford to be benevolent??

 

History would argue against that. It is why unions started in the first place.

Pure free market with small government gives you the Massey mine disaster, BP Oil Wells, child labor and slave wages. If Companies were benevolent and rewarded the workers there would be no need for Unions. However, when the target is the bottom line . . .

 

If you set up companies where workers have some ownership in it - like Toyota and other Japanese companies - then Unions become obsolete.

 

Don't think we've had "Child labor and Slave wages" in this country for quite a while. Many would argue the main reason for the BP oil spill was the insane governmental rules (bowing to a handful of special interests) that forced them further and further off shore, to have to drill in 5000+ feet deep waters vs. far safer and easier to control wells on solid ground or near the shore??

History would argue against that. It is why unions started in the first place.

 

Totally agree that they had their place many, many years ago; but then when the pendulum swung led by the Jimmy Hoffa's of the movement the unions too got out of hand. Now they've managed to bankrupt or nearly bankrupt virtually all of our heavy manufacturing, transportation, government entities, etc.

 

Don't think history (unless you refer to the revisionist version) will argue that the excessive bureaucracy is not helping US Corporations compete in today's worldwide markets.

Edited September 27, 201015 yr by StickerMann

In no way do I think that people shouldn't be able to make as much money as they want or as much as they can. I never said they didn't earn it. I have no problem with anyone making as much as they can. I just don't believe anyone is worth that kind of money.

 

Never said you said that. Your last sentence is what my response was to and why people are worth it. They worked for it in the right industry.