Final. McCreary is definately missing Watts and Company.....

About what I thought if you look at the prediction thread. House of Pain maybe under watch after this thumping.....

McCreary is definitley in rebuild mode. Too young and lot of undeveloped players. there is no excuse for not being fundamentally sound by the time you get to high school. I am shocked by the score absolutely shocked.

Wayne dominated both sides of the ball. McCreary was never in this game. I dont know if McCreary had over 5 first downs or not in the entire game.

Well, I am definately disappointed Heartbreaker but no need to be underwatch (but that was a good one, LoL). I have total confidence in the Raiders ability beecause I have coached them for many years and know what they are capable of as should the current coaching staff as 3 of the coaches have coached many of them in middle school where they started their development. Trenchmaster I have to disagree with you, this should not be a rebuilding year and as a team they are not any younger than the teams they are playing as 14 or so players that are on the roster for the Raiders started and/or played a lot of varsity football last year in a very successful season. Everyone wants to talk about the Raiders missing Watts and Roark well they do but no more than any other team misses 2 outstanding players when they graduate. My point is all of this stuff is no more than excuses that are being put in the minds of young men who are more than capable of playing hard nosed good fundamental football and they are more than capable of winning football games. When this years seniors were 8th graders they destroyed Wayne Co much like the game went for Wayne Co last night. I am very familiar with players on both teams and the Raiders have just as many athletes if not more than the Cards do. The Cards were definately the best team last night and I congradulate them and my friend coach Thompaon, but I wouldn't trade two of those Cardinal teams for my Raiders. I don't know what the rest of the season will look like but I can gaurantee you that I will not waiver one bit in the confidence I have in these young mens abilities to get the job done every Friday night because I know what level they are capable of playing. You will never hear me make excuses for them because that is not what they need, they need to be incouraged by the fans and they need to be pushed to work harder everyday by the coaches and these guys will respond in a positive manner. Work hard(er) guys and push each other to be the best you can be I will always be behind you, now Go Get'm Guys!

Can the Raiders win this year?

Can the Raiders win this year?

 

That would be a 100% YES! They still have a few games that are very winable and next week against Leslie Co is one of them. Right now the Raiders need to continue to work hard and keep their head up and don't listen to anyone who is trying to make excuses for them and realize there is no such thing as an easy win and you can't live in or on the past. They have to focus, bust their buts and play hard nosed football every Friday night. With that said I think they can still win up to 4 football games this year, like I said earlier I know what kind of athletes the Raiders have and what kind of football they are capable of playing they just have to get it done so everyone else knows what I am talking about. Go Get'em Guys!:ylsuper:

Wayne County is really a pretty good team and seem to get better as the seasons progress, and I use the point of them just losing by single digits very late in last year's season to Somerset who went to the 3A title game. I wish McCreary the best of luck for the rest of the season and hope they get untracked and to Wayne as well. Both teams have a lot of heart. Good luck to ya' HOP!

HoP all due respect to you and your opinions it is not making excuses to say they are rebuidling. if losing an entire coaching staff (clinton gay was district coach of the year) 11 seniors and two not just two outstanding players one was the ky athelete of the year and the other was a freakish tough nosed runner is not rebuilding than what is? and no not every high school team graduates the best player they ever had every year it is no slight on the team or kids to say this and it is not an excuse! unrealistic expectations are more damaging to a young team than an honest assesment of where they are at which is rebuilding in my opinion. i think most people would agree they are rebuilding. why do you keep saying people are making excuses people are merely making an honest assessment of where the program is right, wrong or indifferent? facts are facts.

 

You can't blame their issues this year on people making excuses for them i don't think that is the case. i respect your knowledge of the prog. but I disagree.

Wayne County is really a pretty good team and seem to get better as the seasons progress, and I use the point of them just losing by single digits very late in last year's season to Somerset who went to the 3A title game. I wish McCreary the best of luck for the rest of the season and hope they get untracked and to Wayne as well. Both teams have a lot of heart. Good luck to ya' HOP!

 

Papagrit i saw no heart last night from the raiders plenty from the Cardinals.

No shame in losing to Wayne, they are a very fundamentally sound team. They run a very productive Defensive Scheme and always seem to have a few players that can flat out motor in the open field. MC is going the right way.

 

MC has been much improved the last few years and played well all over the field not just the Big 2. I think these kids just need to believe in themselves as a team and quit listening to everyone talking about kids that have graduated and are gone now. Good Luck Raiders!!!

 

Is there little league football or elementary football in MC? If not enough kids for a league, maybe look into putting teams (by age) in the Lake Cumberland League in Somerset. Garrard did this for several years and developed quite a bit of talent that way. Alot of those Jr's and Sr's at Garrard that upset Estill last night played in the LCYFL as 5th and 6th graders.

Although HoP does not believe that the Raiders miss Watts and the other seniors who departed athlitic contributions, I am sure that they miss the leadership that those guys provided. Sometimes teams are just looking around expecting some player to step up and make plays and Watts did that. Now they don't have that type of player. That is a tough thing to replace. Till the Raiders find a "go to guy" I think they will continue to stuggle. I agree that the coaches are working hard and I am sure that the kids are working hard, it appears that they are missing a key ingrediant. Sometimes it takes years to find that guys sometimes it only takes a game or two. I was not surprised by the score when you look at what a team like Pineville did to them you could see what was coming.

HoP all due respect to you and your opinions it is not making excuses to say they are rebuidling. if losing an entire coaching staff (clinton gay was district coach of the year) 11 seniors and two not just two outstanding players one was the ky athelete of the year and the other was a freakish tough nosed runner is not rebuilding than what is? and no not every high school team graduates the best player they ever had every year it is no slight on the team or kids to say this and it is not an excuse! unrealistic expectations are more damaging to a young team than an honest assesment of where they are at which is rebuilding in my opinion. i think most people would agree they are rebuilding. why do you keep saying people are making excuses people are merely making an honest assessment of where the program is right, wrong or indifferent? facts are facts.

 

You can't blame their issues this year on people making excuses for them i don't think that is the case. i respect your knowledge of the prog. but I disagree.

 

I disagree with it being a rebuilding year because it's not. The only reason people are saying that is because of the graduation of Watts and Roark. Like I said, when this season started there were 14 players that started and/or played most of every game last year and when you return 8 seniors and 5 juniors that started and/or played in the previous year it is not a rebuilding year. I am not nor would I ever put the Raiders down because my heart and soul is and has always been with Raider football and the kids that play. I have coached football for 24 years and a rebuilding year is when you only return 2 or 3 starters from the previous year and almost everyone that has to start and play have never started and played varsity football. Now those are the facts. These kids know how to play and they know how to win. Yes it will be a hard road but it wasn't easy last year either. I was not trying to ruffle any feathers Trenchmaster but as you said the facts are the facts. Just because you replace the coaching staff doesn't make it a rebuilding year, I know the coaches too and they are all very capable coaches who know the game of football and as I have said many times I have total confidence in them to get the job done and to continue the building process of the Raider football program for many, many years to come. The only reason I can think that you or anyone says this is a rebuilding year is the fact that there are some sophmores who start and a couple freshmen who play quite a bit well I have news for everyone every team in our region has and probably still has sophmores that start and freshmen that play. These things to me are excuses not reasons and I know the kids and if you give them excuses they will have the tendency to grab hold of them and use them as a reason not to work hard, I have seen it for too many years. Again, I was not and I am not trying to ruffle anyone's feathers, this is a forum and all I am doing is expressing my opinion which I think most on here can say has always been a fair and respectfully given opinion even if they disagree and it is everyones right to disagree with my opinion as it is my right to disagree with theirs. With all that said I think the Raiders still have 4 realistic chances to win this season so that is what they need to be focusing on, I think you will see them get better each week and that is all you can ask. Go get'em guys!

 

PS, I didn't say that teams lose the best player they EVER had each year, all I said is other teams miss outstanding players too when they graduate and outstanding players graduate every year that is just part of high school football. Onother thing, if you think that everyone else thinks this is a rebuilding year you are also mistaken because I am constantly speaking up for our program, players and coaches alike, and pointing out all the positive things that the coaches and players are accomplishing. Having bad years happen and they have happened to every coach and staff but you use every loss as a learning and teaching tool and move on it's not the end of the world anyway, I respect your opinion Trenchmaster but I honestly and repectfully disagree and in my opinion if the kids start (and some already have) believing they can't win because it is a rebuilding year then it even gets harder! Good luck to you and the Raiders this Thursday at Leslie I will definately be there cheering on my Raiders.

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No shame in losing to Wayne, they are a very fundamentally sound team. They run a very productive Defensive Scheme and always seem to have a few players that can flat out motor in the open field. MC is going the right way.

 

MC has been much improved the last few years and played well all over the field not just the Big 2. I think these kids just need to believe in themselves as a team and quit listening to everyone talking about kids that have graduated and are gone now. Good Luck Raiders!!!

 

Is there little league football or elementary football in MC? If not enough kids for a league, maybe look into putting teams (by age) in the Lake Cumberland League in Somerset. Garrard did this for several years and developed quite a bit of talent that way. Alot of those Jr's and Sr's at Garrard that upset Estill last night played in the LCYFL as 5th and 6th graders.

 

My point exactly!

Although HoP does not believe that the Raiders miss Watts and the other seniors who departed athlitic contributions, I am sure that they miss the leadership that those guys provided. Sometimes teams are just looking around expecting some player to step up and make plays and Watts did that. Now they don't have that type of player. That is a tough thing to replace. Till the Raiders find a "go to guy" I think they will continue to stuggle. I agree that the coaches are working hard and I am sure that the kids are working hard, it appears that they are missing a key ingrediant. Sometimes it takes years to find that guys sometimes it only takes a game or two. I was not surprised by the score when you look at what a team like Pineville did to them you could see what was coming.

 

Blazer, if you read I never said that. I would have to be a moron to think that kids like Watts and Roark aren't missed after they graduate as is any senior that graduates. All I said is all high school teams lose outstanding players to graduation and they still keep going on utilizing the up and coming talent until they graduate and are missed. This is the evotlution of high school football and doesn't make every year a rebuilding year. It's when you graduate 14 seniors and only return 3 for the next year along with only 5 or 6 juniors but have 21 sophmores with no experience, now that is a rebuilding year. But I agree with you blazer that players who are leaders are part of the ingredience needed for success.