Zero relevance to the issue at hand.

 

No it is not. Many of our problems today are caused by poor attitudes and much of that stems from a lack of moral guidance. Too many think that they can do whatever they want or that the government owes them a living, all this is caused by, once again, by a lack of moral guidance.

No it is not. Many of our problems today are caused by poor attitudes and much of that stems from a lack of moral guidance. Too many think that they can do whatever they want or that the government owes them a living, all this is caused by, once again, by a lack of moral guidance.

 

Though most religions emphasize moral behavior, one does not have to subscribe to a religion in order to be moral.

No it is not. Many of our problems today are caused by poor attitudes and much of that stems from a lack of moral guidance. Too many think that they can do whatever they want or that the government owes them a living, all this is caused by, once again, by a lack of moral guidance.

 

I think that you are right in that schools (and life in general) would likely be better with improved moral guidance. But I'm not sure you can say so simply "go to church, follow Jesus, school will be better."

I think that you are right in that schools (and life in general) would likely be better with improved moral guidance. But I'm not sure you can say so simply "go to church, follow Jesus, school will be better."

 

As a former teacher who has heard conversations that you would not heard in the boys locker room 30-40 years ago, I would disagree with you. While we will never have a perfect world, it has to be better than what we have now.

As a former teacher who has heard conversations that you would not heard in the boys locker room 30-40 years ago, I would disagree with you. While we will never have a perfect world, it has to be better than what we have now.

 

BB, I'm a current teacher and coach. I am very familiar with the locker room conversations, many of which aren't much different than they were when I was a student 15-20 years ago. I'm not disagreeing with your premise that moral guidance provided by religion would certainly benefit most everyone, but I don't think it's realistic to expect that to ever happen. So what we need are more concrete ideas that can be applied to students - unfortunately I'm not so sure what they are.

Though most religions emphasize moral behavior, one does not have to subscribe to a religion in order to be moral.

 

If you were to talk to those students who have problems or talk as if their life was 1 big porno, drug film, the vast majority do not go to church. And many who claim morality without religion, generally just make up their own beliefs of good and bad.

Although I know some who are hypocrits or maybe they are phonies putting on a good face.

BB, I'm a current teacher and coach. I am very familiar with the locker room conversations, many of which aren't much different than they were when I was a student 15-20 years ago. I'm not disagreeing with your premise that moral guidance provided by religion would certainly benefit most everyone, but I don't think it's realistic to expect that to ever happen. So what we need are more concrete ideas that can be applied to students - unfortunately I'm not so sure what they are.

 

No different? How about this story from when I was subbing last year in consumer science, used to be home ec. The teacher was still in the class as she was about to leave for a conference. Since the class was studying sex ed, one girl asked if a female could pregnant with twins by two different men. Now I tell you that was never even a conversation at the frat house 40 years ago. While it is a legitimate question, it does show where the minds of students have headed in recent years.

While you are not sure as what to do, I am. Some lessons on morality may keep individuals from going down the wrong path in all areas of life and also may give them the idea a better life is ahead with hard work in and out of school. I know will will not be even be close to perfect, but it has to better than what we have now.

No different? How about this story from when I was subbing last year in consumer science, used to be home ec. The teacher was still in the class as she was about to leave for a conference. Since the class was studying sex ed, one girl asked if a female could pregnant with twins by two different men. Now I tell you that was never even a conversation at the frat house 40 years ago. While it is a legitimate question, it does show where the minds of students have headed in recent years.

While you are not sure as what to do, I am. Some lessons on morality may keep individuals from going down the wrong path in all areas of life and also may give them the idea a better life is ahead with hard work in and out of school. I know will will not be even be close to perfect, but it has to better than what we have now.

 

Serious question - is teaching morals that responsibility of the school, the church, or the parents? I would imagine all three, but many will never get it from the last two so it all falls on the school. Because of that, your teachers must teach morals AND curriculum. That can be difficult.

 

I agree wholeheartedly that moral guidance from parents and from the church (or whatever religious group a student might be part of) would be beneficial. I just keep coming back to the question of how do we make that happen?

Serious question - is teaching morals that responsibility of the school, the church, or the parents? I would imagine all three, but many will never get it from the last two so it all falls on the school. Because of that, your teachers must teach morals AND curriculum. That can be difficult.

 

I agree wholeheartedly that moral guidance from parents and from the church (or whatever religious group a student might be part of) would be beneficial. I just keep coming back to the question of how do we make that happen?

 

Faith cannot be taught at school due to seperation of church and state. God entrusted us with His children and with that we have an awesome responsibility to teach our children first and foremost about He who created us for His glory. That is our sole purpose in life. period. With that said, most of society has turned their backs on God and feel as though they don't need Him in their daily lives even though He sustains us by the richness of His mercy and love. We think we have everything by our own accord and teach our children the same values in effect. Win at all costs, be sucessful in this world, etc.. All these are worldly goals, instead of teaching God's invisible attributes of loving our neighbor, looking out for the interests of others instead of merely your own, etc... Children grow up in these dysfunctional environments that send them all the wrong messages about what they were put on this earth for. We as parents will bear the brunt of responsibility in providing the conditions that God had intended his children to be reared in. Heck, even most christians put the brunt of responsibility of teaching their children about God on the sunday schools. That is not right. We, as parents need to accept responsibility and live out our faith at home 7 days a week 365 days a year. Only then does this country have a chance. We have fallen off a cliff just in the past 20 years and are morally corrupt. T.V. is nauseating and to think our impressionable children watch this crud. The allure of evil is very tempting to all of us and we must make every effort to arm ourselves daily with prayer, the Word of God, and with much discipline...Only then will America be what it once was...

Whackem, I'm not disagreeing with what you said. I think you are describing a perfect-world scenario that would certainly be different from today. But how is it implemented? And more so, how do you require people to follow that path if they have no desire to? And then, assuming there are some that don't follow that path what do we do with their children in the schools?

 

These theories are all fine, but they contain a lot of wishing and hoping for what people will do. What do you do when all that wishing and hoping results in nothing?

Though most religions emphasize moral behavior, one does not have to subscribe to a religion in order to be moral.

 

It's not religion, it's called faith in Jesus Christ. You know , the One that time is represented by.....A.D. B.C.

I think that you are right in that schools (and life in general) would likely be better with improved moral guidance. But I'm not sure you can say so simply "go to church, follow Jesus, school will be better."

 

Take a back seat and let Christ drive your life and watch and see....Seriously though, think of it like a set of dominoes......take it from me school and all of society would be much better off with faith.

It's not religion' date=' it's called faith in Jesus Christ. You know , the One that time is represented by.....A.D. B.C.[/quote']

 

Whackem, you know AD and BC - those are only used as numbering devices for calendars because the church put them there? By that logic, could I not claim that this is year 29 ME because I'm 29 years old? And to top it off, most educational scholarship now recognizes that Jesus of Nazareth was likely born between 6 and 4 BC, which totally skews the numbers.

Take a back seat and let Christ drive your life and watch and see....Seriously though' date=' think of it like a set of dominoes......take it from me school and all of society would be much better off with faith.[/quote']

 

Once again, I agree with you. But what do you do about those who don't have it?

Once again, I agree with you. But what do you do about those who don't have it?

 

Those that have seen Him and have been transformed by His Love, Mercy, and Grace have the responsibility (although we all fall way short) to be a "light among men". We don't have to go out and save the world, God just wants us to let Him use us in our lives to make a difference in other's. When Christ is with me in Spirit, His love touches others and so on an so on. With our God, anything is possible, we as christians just don't allow Him to use us the way He wants us to be used mosty b/c of fears of mockery.