How much bartering of votes goes on among the coaches?

I counted 6 players on the entire list from X.

 

That is roughly 30% of the starters.

 

There are more teams and more players around the state also. Everyone can't be mentioned.

 

I believe he meant first team players. And while it's not impossible, it is somewhat unusual that the school that won the biggest class championship doesn't have a player that is talented enough to be the best at his position in the state. Again, not impossible, but in my opinion, highly unlikely.

How much bartering of votes goes on among the coaches?

 

If what I'm told by serveral coaches is accurate, it happens. There is a "you vote for mine, and I'll vote for your's" mentality. How prevalent is it? Who knows, but based on what I'm told, it happens fairly often. I think some of it is caused as a reaction to the AP selection process. With only 19 sportswriters voting on the AP team and with areas of the state not well represented by the 19 sportswriters, some coaches naturally believe that their kids aren't given fair consideration for the AP team. So it's only natural for those coaches to act in a way to make sure their kids get recognition. The bartering is one of the ways they respond. Some coaches send out e mails on the coaches list serve system asking coaches to vote for certain of their players (which I have no problem with) and other coaches do not. Some coaches are more popular with their peers and when they request votes for their players, I'm sure it affects how other coaches vote. There also are regional biases and biases against programs and coaches that affect the coaches' selections. And it's not just me as a non-coach making these observations. One of our more elequent posters who is a coach made a similar observation about the "vote for mine, and I'll vote for your's" mentality being present in the coaches' selections. Heck, coaches are only human.

 

Both the coaches and the AP selection processes have their flaws as I was discussing with a coach recently. He agreed with me.

 

At the end of the day, I think the BGP team is probably the most accurate one, year in and year out. Is it perfect? No. No all state team can be perfect and without disagreement. I do know that Rob and the other folks making the selections work very hard to try and determine the best high school football players without regard to some of the factors that often determine what players get selected to the AP and Coaches teams.

 

When you consider the fact that according to Jody Demling it only took 6 votes to make honorable mention and then you look at some of the talented players that didn't even make honorable mention, it doesn't take a genius to conclude that the coaches' selection system has its flaws.

 

Best to just accept it for what it is and move on. :thumb:

If what I'm told by serveral coaches is accurate, it happens. There is a "you vote for mine, and I'll vote for your's" mentality. How prevalent is it? Who knows, but based on what I'm told, it happens fairly often. I think some of it is caused as a reaction to the AP selection process. With only 19 sportswriters voting on the AP team and with areas of the state not well represented by the 19 sportswriters, some coaches naturally believe that their kids aren't given fair consideration for the AP team. So it's only natural for those coaches to act in a way to make sure their kids get recognition. The bartering is one of the ways they respond. Some coaches send out e mails on the coaches list serve system asking coaches to vote for certain of their players (which I have no problem with) and other coaches do not. Some coaches are more popular with their peers and when they request votes for their players, I'm sure it affects how other coaches vote. There also are regional biases and biases against programs and coaches that affect the coaches' selections. And it's not just me as a non-coach making these observations. One of our more elequent posters who is a coach made a similar observation about the "vote for mine, and I'll vote for your's" mentality being present in the coaches' selections. Heck, coaches are only human.

 

Both the coaches and the AP selection processes have their flaws as I was discussing with a coach recently. He agreed with me.

 

At the end of the day, I think the BGP team is probably the most accurate one, year in and year out. Is it perfect? No. No all state team can be perfect and without disagreement. I do know that Rob and the other folks making the selections work very hard to try and determine the best high school football players without regard to some of the factors that often determine what players get selected to the AP and Coaches teams.

 

When you consider the fact that according to Jody Demling it only took 6 votes to make honorable mention and then you look at some of the talented players that didn't even make honorable mention, it doesn't take a genius to conclude that the coaches' selection system has its flaws.

 

Best to just accept it for what it is and move on. :thumb:

 

LN

 

Nicely stated - and unfortunately accurate. YOur advice is well given.

How many votes does it take to be named to the first, second, third or honorable mention teams?

 

I'm sure it varies, but I heard a few years back that it was possible for a player to receive 4-5 votes at a position and be awarded a first team slot. Is that really possible?

 

Just wandering how the votes break down on average.

 

I'm curious because I got in an argument, hmm hmm discussion, with a friend of mine who made the C-J all-State team 10-12 years ago. When I heard the "rumor" it took only a few votes to make the team, especially if there were many other players in the running, I quickly brought this to his attention.

 

He disagreed when I pointed out that the 5 coaches from the schools in his "small pond" voted for him because they read about him in the local papers, or played him in a game. He began to argue, until I pointed out that his stats were half the totals of 4-5 other receivers in the Louisville, Lexington, Bowling Green and Northern Kentucky areas.

 

Any help with this?

 

Only a few votes can result in a selection? Myth or fact?

 

Thanks in advance.

 

I'm hoping someone with some "insider info" would be able to help.

 

Is the vote count for each player public information that can be found?

We can agree to disagree on Jody. He is very knowledgeable and one heck of a guy.

 

I appreciate Jody for all the years that he has spent in putting together an all state team where the coaches can vote for the players they have seen during the year. Keep it up Jody!