This is America why would a reference to Indians make you automatically assume India?

 

A reference to Indians makes me automatically assume India because Indians hail from India. Native Americans, on the other hand, are native to America.

 

Not trying to get into an argument here...it's just that using the misnomer Indian to refer to a Native American is a personal pet peeve of mine. That's mainly the case because when someone makes a reference to someone as being Indian, it requires further clarification as to whether the person is Native American or is, indeed, from India. I guess I'd just prefer people refer to a person's nationality/heritage accurately the first time so I can skip that whole clarification process.

A reference to Indians makes me automatically assume India because Indians hail from India. Native Americans, on the other hand, are native to America.

 

Not trying to get into an argument here...it's just that using the misnomer Indian to refer to a Native American is a personal pet peeve of mine. That's mainly the case because when someone makes a reference to someone as being Indian, it requires further clarification as to whether the person is Native American or is, indeed, from India. I guess I'd just prefer people refer to a person's nationality/heritage accurately the first time so I can skip that whole clarification process.

Good Grief..... :ohbrother:

Good Grief..... :ohbrother:

 

Gosh...I know. Don't you just hate it when people get upset when others disagree with them? This is a forum that is open to debate after all. Are we not all capable of civil discussion here? :ohbrother:

Back to the SCHOOL name change.

For those that walked those hallowed halls, there was a day when going to Turkeyfoot was a cause for embarrassment. It had a bad reputation. I know many people of a certain generation who think negatively when they hear Turkeyfoot. Rather right or wrong, it's pretty common thought. This is a chance, with the building of a completely new facility to change the perception and 're-brand' it, if you will. 100% of the students go on to Dixie, so it could be "Dixie Middle School" and then "The Little Colonels". Or, Caywood Middle School, with Caywood just next door. This is just an IDEA, and it doesn't hurt to hear opinions.

Back to the SCHOOL name change.

For those that walked those hallowed halls, there was a day when going to Turkeyfoot was a cause for embarrassment. It had a bad reputation. I know many people of a certain generation who think negatively when they hear Turkeyfoot. Rather right or wrong, it's pretty common thought. This is a chance, with the building of a completely new facility to change the perception and 're-brand' it, if you will. 100% of the students go on to Dixie, so it could be "Dixie Middle School" and then "The Little Colonels". Or, Caywood Middle School, with Caywood just next door. This is just an IDEA, and it doesn't hurt to hear opinions.

 

I never knew Turkeyfoot was associated with such negativity, but I certainly agree with your logic. Some people have a hard time seeing past the history and, in turn, celebrating the advances that have been made. In that case, I am all for "re-branding" when a school is unable to shake a bad reputation it does not deserve.

Back to the SCHOOL name change.

For those that walked those hallowed halls, there was a day when going to Turkeyfoot was a cause for embarrassment. It had a bad reputation. I know many people of a certain generation who think negatively when they hear Turkeyfoot. Rather right or wrong, it's pretty common thought. This is a chance, with the building of a completely new facility to change the perception and 're-brand' it, if you will. 100% of the students go on to Dixie, so it could be "Dixie Middle School" and then "The Little Colonels". Or, Caywood Middle School, with Caywood just next door. This is just an IDEA, and it doesn't hurt to hear opinions.

 

Can you explain? I've never heard such a thing.

 

 

Also, in a time where money is tight, and people scrutinize the state for every penny spent, wouldn't changing the name be an unnecessary expense? You'd have to spend thousands of dollars to change the name, or mascot, of the school.

For the expense part, I would think it would be just like a brand new school, to purchase uniforms, stationary, etc. They could think of this AS a brand new school.

 

As for an explanation, I thought it was self-explanatory. The 70's were a rough go. It was bad. Academically, socially, and physically. I know, I'm showing my age, but since we just had our reunion, I posed the question to my classmates and am tallying results. Most seem to concur with the reputation. Now, if you weren't from here originally, or have a new experience, it's good to know that things change. I have family attending there now and they are thriving. But the fact remains, that it HAD, and I will stress HAD, a horrible reputation 110 years ago-back in the 70's.

Guess it was wrong then when they built the new Twenhofel to name it Twenhofel, being its the same situation.

 

As for the mascot name change from Indians, I can maybe see it, but if it was really an issue, wouldnt it have been changed by now. I bet theres probably over 50 plus schools in just KY alone that have the Indians name. Honestly this stuff is getting out of hand, before you know it PETA will get involved and say you can not longer use animal names for mascots because is wrong. What will the beloved people of Kentucky do when UK has to change their name to something other than the wildcats, lol.

Guess it was wrong then when they built the new Twenhofel to name it Twenhofel, being its the same situation.

 

I have no knowledge of Twenhofel, and don't mean to imply there's a 'wrong'. My life will not change one iota whichever way this thing blows. I have no dog in the fight, and frankly, my kids are long gone from middle school days. I was just weighing in on the debate.

On a positive note, it's good to see such passion and pride that we didn't know existed for good 'ole TF!

Edited September 23, 200917 yr by Birdsfan

before you know it PETA will get involved and say you can not longer use animal names for mascots because is wrong. What will the beloved people of Kentucky do when UK has to change their name to something other than the wildcats, lol.

:lol::lol: How true!!

Edited September 23, 200917 yr by Birdsfan

Back to the SCHOOL name change.

For those that walked those hallowed halls, there was a day when going to Turkeyfoot was a cause for embarrassment. It had a bad reputation. I know many people of a certain generation who think negatively when they hear Turkeyfoot. Rather right or wrong, it's pretty common thought. This is a chance, with the building of a completely new facility to change the perception and 're-brand' it, if you will. 100% of the students go on to Dixie, so it could be "Dixie Middle School" and then "The Little Colonels". Or, Caywood Middle School, with Caywood just next door. This is just an IDEA, and it doesn't hurt to hear opinions.

 

I was not aware of such negativity surrounding Turkeyfoot in the 70's. I don't think that stigma follows the school anymore. What type of negativity was there? Academics? Athletics?

 

I'm not buying that 100% of the students go to Dixie. I'd say around 5 or so go to Covington Catholic, and I'd imagine that with Kenton County's open enrollment, that a few go elsewhere. I do agree that the great majority attend Dixie, though.

Also, in a time where money is tight, and people scrutinize the state for every penny spent, wouldn't changing the name be an unnecessary expense? You'd have to spend thousands of dollars to change the name, or mascot, of the school.

 

Excellent point...

A reference to Indians makes me automatically assume India because Indians hail from India. Native Americans, on the other hand, are native to America.

 

Not trying to get into an argument here...it's just that using the misnomer Indian to refer to a Native American is a personal pet peeve of mine. That's mainly the case because when someone makes a reference to someone as being Indian, it requires further clarification as to whether the person is Native American or is, indeed, from India. I guess I'd just prefer people refer to a person's nationality/heritage accurately the first time so I can skip that whole clarification process.

 

 

Shouldn't we blame Christopher Columbus for this? :ohbrother:

Shouldn't we blame Christopher Columbus for this? :ohbrother:

 

Pretty much...Problem is hundreds of years later, we know he was mistaken in referring to the people he encountered as Indians, as he obviously never reached India. The thing I can't quite understand is why so many people continue to refer to Native Americans as Indians despite the widespread knowledge that Columbus' initial reference wrong. :idunno:

 

Seriously, some insight would be helpful...

Back in the day Turkeyfoot was called Chickentoe by Twenhofel students. In turn Turkeyfoot students called Twenhofel "Twinklehofel". Kids being kids. As far as the mascot, let it go, there are bigger fish to fry in this country.