June 3, 200917 yr Yep. I mean look at a couple of past instances. Well right off hand you have the Yankees in baseball who try and buy championships. But back to the NBA. Lakers: Kobe, Shaq, Malone, and Payton. (Yes Malone and Payton were washed up but they could still play and were talented) Nuggets: Anthony teaming up with Iverson It most recently worked with the Celtics but with every Celtic team you have 2 that go bad. I'm not the crazy LeBron fan that wants him to have another superstar. Just maybe some role players that aren't one trick ponies. Maybe even a cast like what the Bobcats have. I know the Bobcats aren't good, but with a legit go to guy I think they could be nice. I think a roster like this would be all that he would need to compete with anyone: PG- Monta Ellis SG- Shane Battier SF- LeBron James PF- David Lee C- Tyson Chandler (healthy of course) That is what I'm getting
June 3, 200917 yr I'm not the crazy LeBron fan that wants him to have another superstar. Just maybe some role players that aren't one trick ponies. Maybe even a cast like what the Bobcats have. I know the Bobcats aren't good, but with a legit go to guy I think they could be nice. I think a roster like this would be all that he would need to compete with anyone: PG- Monta Ellis SG- Shane Battier SF- LeBron James PF- David Lee C- Tyson Chandler (healthy of course) That is what I'm getting I understand what you're getting at but I don't think that makes him an automatic lock for an NBA title like you stated a few posts ago. Definitely a better contender though.
June 3, 200917 yr The Clippers do not have more talent than the Cavs. Yeah right, let's see. Without LeBron..... Big Z or Camby- I will take Camby any day of the week. Varajao or Kaman- hmmmmm.....Kaman. Delonte West or Eric Gordon- about even, but give me Gordon for the long run. Mo Williams or Baron Davis- Give me Davis. He can still play when he wants to. Ben Wallace or Zach Randolph- Do I even need to compare? Randolph now, Wallace 4 years ago. Rest of the Bench: Give me Fred Jones, Al Thornton, ball hog Ricky Davis and whoever else the Clips have over the garbage in Cleveland.
June 3, 200917 yr That explains why the Clippers were so good this year... Oh wait they are terrible.
June 3, 200917 yr I understand what you're getting at but I don't think that makes him an automatic lock for an NBA title like you stated a few posts ago. Definitely a better contender though. What team beats that one? Lakers? No. Battier and LeBron have enough to at least make Kobe work. Ellis would eat Fisher/Farmar/Brown's lunch, and those two bigs are the type that give the Lakers trouble. Magic? No. Battier is the phycial defender that would slow Turkoglu, Lee is quick enough for Lewis, Ellis is big enough to bother Nelson. Howard would win the Matchup pretty easily with Chandler but I'd take the Cavs. Celtics? No. This isn't a realistic roster, but you could piece together a type of team like that. Good PG, Bigger defensive 2 guard that can shoot, athletic big and a defensive big, you could do that. The Cavs thought they have that but, Mo Williams is really a 2 in a PG's body, West is too short to be a lockdown defender, Varajao isn't athletic, and Big Z's best days are behind him.
June 3, 200917 yr You are just randomly picking guys from where you want. Of course you can put together a good team. :lol:
June 3, 200917 yr That explains why the Clippers were so good this year... Oh wait they are terrible. The Clippers are terrible because they are the Clippers. Baron Davis played but didn't try. And they have zero go to scorers, which is the same amount the Cavs would have without LeBron. Take LBJ away and the Clips are better than the Cavs. Can that be argued?
June 3, 200917 yr You are just randomly picking guys from where you want. Of course you can put together a good team. :lol: I'm just picking the type of players that suit James' game. If I were picking the players I woud want I would get players that I actually like my team would look like Chris Paul, LeBron, LeMarcus Aldridge, Shaq and DWade. Like I said before not necessarily the player I picked, but players similar. Those were to give examples. But you're right and I'm wrong as usual. I could put together the dream team and Kobe's Lakers would beat them.
June 3, 200917 yr Yeah right, let's see. Without LeBron..... Big Z or Camby- I will take Camby any day of the week. Varajao or Kaman- hmmmmm.....Kaman. Delonte West or Eric Gordon- about even, but give me Gordon for the long run. Mo Williams or Baron Davis- Give me Davis. He can still play when he wants to. Ben Wallace or Zach Randolph- Do I even need to compare? Randolph now, Wallace 4 years ago. Rest of the Bench: Give me Fred Jones, Al Thornton, ball hog Ricky Davis and whoever else the Clips have over the garbage in Cleveland. Talk about being unrealistic to try and make a point. Williams > Davis Big Z > Camby Wallace Varajo = Kaman West = Gordon I think that the Cavs are the better overall team anyway. Clippers have some talent but are not better than the Cavs.
June 3, 200917 yr Talent doesn't mean they are better players. They won 19 games. I bet you my house the Cavs without Lebron could have won 19 games.
June 3, 200917 yr Talk about being unrealistic to try and make a point. Williams > Davis Big Z > Camby Wallace Varajo = Kaman West = Gordon I think that the Cavs are the better overall team anyway. Clippers have some talent but are not better than the Cavs. I won't argue Davis vs Williams. If you refuse to believe what you saw last series that is fine. Davis when motivated can still play at a relatively high level. But no way is Big Z better than Camby. Neither is exactly young but atleast Camby still give you something consistently. If Z's jumper is off he is of no use. Give me the old man that can get you 10 pts, 12 boards and a couple of blocks over the old guy who is slow and is only valuable as a jump shooter. Big Z is 7-3 and averages 7 RPG. What does that tell you? Varajao = Kaman?? Are you joking? Kaman trumps Varajao in every statistical category other than FT%. Kaman is a decent big, Varajao is just a hustler. He would score less than a basket a game if it weren't for hustle. West and Gordon equal? No way. Gordon averaged 5 more PPG and he was a rookie. Both are undersized but Gordon can score, West can shoot but isn't a scorer.
June 3, 200917 yr Talent doesn't mean they are better players. They won 19 games. I bet you my house the Cavs without Lebron could have won 19 games. Most likely. The Clips had a team to win 30 games. It is easy to lose as a Clipper. The owner doesn't care to lose, the coaches are terrible and the fans...well there aren't any. Plus the Cavs play in the East. I say they MAYBE get to 25 wins without LeBron. Wally Sczerbiak is IMO, the worst player in the league right now and he would be the starting three.
June 3, 200917 yr I won't argue Davis vs Williams. If you refuse to believe what you saw last series that is fine. Davis when motivated can still play at a relatively high level. But no way is Big Z better than Camby. Neither is exactly young but atleast Camby still give you something consistently. If Z's jumper is off he is of no use. Give me the old man that can get you 10 pts, 12 boards and a couple of blocks over the old guy who is slow and is only valuable as a jump shooter. Big Z is 7-3 and averages 7 RPG. What does that tell you? Varajao = Kaman?? Are you joking? Kaman trumps Varajao in every statistical category other than FT%. Kaman is a decent big, Varajao is just a hustler. He would score less than a basket a game if it weren't for hustle. West and Gordon equal? No way. Gordon averaged 5 more PPG and he was a rookie. Both are undersized but Gordon can score, West can shoot but isn't a scorer. So you are basing everything on If's and buts? I mean If Williams is motivated and having a good night then he trumps Davis. I mean really see where I'm going with this, if you have to sit there use things like If Davis is motivated, or he wouldn't score if he didn't hustle, then you have no basis for your argument. West averaged more assists and less turnovers which is the job of a PG. Scoring is an added plus but not a requirement. So therefore West is equal to if not greater than Gordon.
June 3, 200917 yr So you are basing everything on If's and buts? I mean If Williams is motivated and having a good night then he trumps Davis. I mean really see where I'm going with this, if you have to sit there use things like If Davis is motivated, or he wouldn't score if he didn't hustle, then you have no basis for your argument. West averaged more assists and less turnovers which is the job of a PG. Scoring is an added plus but not a requirement. So therefore West is equal to if not greater than Gordon. Only thing is that neither is a PG or play PG most of the time. Give me Gordon because scoring is usually the job of the SG over Assist. And If's are a big part of it. Where you one of the people who wrote off Randy Moss when he was playing for the Raiders? Don't tell me where you play doesn't effect your performance.
June 3, 200917 yr Only thing is that neither is a PG or play PG most of the time. Give me Gordon because scoring is usually the job of the SG over Assist. And If's are a big part of it. Where you one of the people who wrote off Randy Moss when he was playing for the Raiders? Don't tell me where you play doesn't effect your performance. I never said where you play didn't effect your performance BUT what I'm saying is you have to go off of performance. You can not simply say If "x" player tried harder, or played with more heart then he'd do better. I mean if that's the case then you can say that for any player if you're trying to compare them to someone else.
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