Wrong. See above.

 

Yeah I just got done reading it. Very interesting.

Technically the 4th "out" would become the 3rd out.

Here's a play.

 

One out.

 

Runner on 2nd and on 3rd.

 

Line drive back to the pitcher. Runners are off on contact.

 

Pitcher catches line drive. He throws to shortstop who does not touch the bag but, rather, goes after the runner and tags him. Runner on 3rd crosses the plate before shortstop tags runner on 2nd. Note: neither runner tagged up.

 

Now what ?

 

I yell at my shortstop and tell him that he should've tagged the base like I have taught him all along.

That rule, while it makes sense, is a head-scratcher.

Very nice. This is known as the "advantageous 4th out."

 

The DBacks cost themselves a run by not "getting" the 4th out.

 

You sure it's not known as an "apparent" 4th out? The way I believe the scenario described above would be officially recorded is that the appealed baserunner becomes the official third out and at that point it is as if the prior out (tag on the runner) never really occurred. So yes, while 4 outs apparently did occur during the inning, the last play (tagged runner) really isn't recorded as such offiically and therefore did not occur. There are only 27 outs in a 9-inning game. Check out OBR 7.10(b).

Looks like it is called an "apparent" 4th out.

 

If the third out is made during a play in which an appeal play is sustained on another runner, the appeal play decision takes precedence in determining teh out. If there is more than 1 appeal during a play taht ends a half-inning, the defense may elect to take the out that gives it the advantage.

 

For the purpose of this rule, the defensive team has "left the field" when the pitcher & all infielders have left fair territory on their way to the bench or clubhouse.

Plus it's all about the umpire's clicker... lol and they can mess up! I remember a few years ago when Adam Dunn got 4 strikes! the count even on the big board said 3-2 then he took a pitch and the umpire yells strike two. The stadium was buzzing hoping Dunn would take advantage of the extra life. Then he swung at one in the dirt. Long story short I would assume the umpire could miscount that too. Although if they showed you 2 score books that say 3 outs and you continue playing you may lose you job!

What if there were 2 outs and a man on 3rd. The batter hits a flyball to the 3rd basemen, which he catches while standing on the base, getting the runner out too. Is that 4 outs?

You sure it's not known as an "apparent" 4th out? The way I believe the scenario described above would be officially recorded is that the appealed baserunner becomes the official third out and at that point it is as if the prior out (tag on the runner) never really occurred. So yes, while 4 outs apparently did occur during the inning, the last play (tagged runner) really isn't recorded as such offiically and therefore did not occur. There are only 27 outs in a 9-inning game. Check out OBR 7.10(b).

 

I've always heard it called the "advantageous 4th out."

 

As I stated previously, the out that WAS the 3rd out is wiped off the books and the 4th out goes does as the 3rd out - just as you describe above.

 

So, to answer my original question, there cannot be 4 outs.

What if there were 2 outs and a man on 3rd. The batter hits a flyball to the 3rd basemen, which he catches while standing on the base, getting the runner out too. Is that 4 outs?

 

Nope. The catch takes priority and immediately becomes the third out. The putout of the 3B runner did not occur (for official scorekeeping records).

Every inning has 4 outs. In fact most have 6.

 

 

Referring to the title of the thread of course. I do see that the text of the first post by Clyde refers to "half-inning".

If I am not mistaken, when the play is inputted into a scoring program (assuming the appeal was made and the runner at third was called out) the out at third would override the tagged third out. So therefore it would be a L165 DP with an X going into the space where the runner at third was. This is the way that it is inputted into the scoring system that the NCAA uses....it's called StatCrew and is based out of Cincinnati.