southernkyhoops Posted March 15, 2009 Posted March 15, 2009 D1 teams are Hoop Dreams, Ville, Tigers, Legends, and the Kentucky Thunder. I think there are 18 in D2 right now with favorites being the NKY Wolfpack, the Scott Co. Wolfpack, and the Kentucky Elite.
katbird Posted March 15, 2009 Posted March 15, 2009 Why is the NKY Wolfpack playing D2??? That is absolutely ridiculous..:puke:
3BREDS2B Posted March 15, 2009 Posted March 15, 2009 Why is the NKY Wolfpack playing D2??? That is absolutely ridiculous..:puke: It is always interesting to see what division they will participate in every year. One would think with all the hype they would want to play the Division I teams.
southernkyhoops Posted March 15, 2009 Author Posted March 15, 2009 If they go D2 they need to win it and not get wore out like the 11/u Wolfpack. The 11/u Wolfpack won the state last year and then decided to play D2 again and got crushed in the finals. I guess their entire season seems ruined, where a 3rd place finish in D1 would have been an improvement over last season and the kids would have felt a sense of accomplishment. If you are going to take a D1 team to D2 you had better win!
UserName Posted March 15, 2009 Posted March 15, 2009 If they go D2 they need to win it and not get wore out like the 11/u Wolfpack. The 11/u Wolfpack won the state last year and then decided to play D2 again and got crushed in the finals. I guess their entire season seems ruined, where a 3rd place finish in D1 would have been an improvement over last season and the kids would have felt a sense of accomplishment. If you are going to take a D1 team to D2 you had better win! The coach of the Wolfpack is cheating his kids!!!! They are a D1 team. I would much rather compete at the D1 level versus winning D2. JOKE!!!!
southernkyhoops Posted March 16, 2009 Author Posted March 16, 2009 I think the Wolfpack still feels the sting of not winning it 2 years ago when they were legitimate D2 and the VILLE played down in D2 and beat them. THis Wolfpack team has never won a state championship, so I kind of understand, but I do think if they played well they could win the D1 state. I am a little bitter about the 11/u Wolfpack running it up on us. Their kids were laughing around and it made our kids feel terrible. They had the Moss kid in at the end until he fouled out late and I just felt that they poured it on a little when they already had their pool #1 seed won. I went easy on the guy coaching in the middle school state at the end but I hope I get the same chance again. The Colonels also just wore us out in the 4th quarter and I will remember it also. I would like to think that through all our success, I have never tried to beat anyone that bad. If we get up 20, I am starting to think about the kids on the other team and try to really back off. We took 9 4th graders and 3 5th graders to the state, I will never do that again. It could be my fault but I have a long memory. Of course, this is what you get when a D1 team is playing in the D2 tournament. In the end, the Blaze gave them what they deserved.
bluenation12 Posted March 18, 2009 Posted March 18, 2009 The coach of the Wolfpack is cheating his kids!!!! They are a D1 team. I would much rather compete at the D1 level versus winning D2. JOKE!!!! My take is if you are holding tryouts, then play D1 and suck it up! A lot of teams are put together with local kids from the same area and that is what D2 is designed for IMO. If you want to build a true select team then man up and play against your level of competition. I equate a select team playing D2 it to any AAU team playing rec. ball.
Slemac90 Posted March 18, 2009 Posted March 18, 2009 In reading this thread, I wanted to point out some inconsistencies. 1) The U12 Nky Wolfpack hasn't taken a kid from "tryouts" in the past 2 years. The 2 kids that were added were asked to play after seeing them play or hearing about them from other individuals. 2) The KY Elite mentioned by southernkyhoops and the Omega team both stated in the AAU thread earlier this season that they would be playing D1....what happened? 3) The U12 NKY Wolfpack get its kids from a similar radius as Omega, maybe a smaller area except for one kid who should be playing with Omega. Most of the individuals, except for southernky, who are talking negatively of the decision by the U12 Wolfpack coach's decision, have never stepped foot into a national tournament. Therefore, you are very unfamiliar with the talent level within these 2 divisions. Most Division 1 teams get their players from across the state and utilize their 3 cross boundary exemptions. There is NO way a Northern KY All star team could be considered as a Division 1 caliber team. That's not to say that no team from NKY should play D1, it just doesn't fit the definition of one. There have been some that have been successful at the state and national level. The Georgetown Thunder was a team that drew it's kids from a small area and competed on the D1 level. They are the exception to the rule. For all you naysayers, D1 and D2 comes down to one thing......The parents and coaches make the decision and the team follows the decision on which division to compete. As I've said before, :deadhorse:too many people try to make AAU something it's not. AAU is an organization that allows for youth and adults to compete. They are not the sports police - They provide an opportunity...that's it! Good luck to all the teams that are playing this weekend. GO PACK!
UserName Posted March 18, 2009 Posted March 18, 2009 In reading this thread, I wanted to point out some inconsistencies. 1) The U12 Nky Wolfpack hasn't taken a kid from "tryouts" in the past 2 years. The 2 kids that were added were asked to play after seeing them play or hearing about them from other individuals. 2) The KY Elite mentioned by southernkyhoops and the Omega team both stated in the AAU thread earlier this season that they would be playing D1....what happened? 3) The U12 NKY Wolfpack get its kids from a similar radius as Omega, maybe a smaller area except for one kid who should be playing with Omega. Most of the individuals, except for southernky, who are talking negatively of the decision by the U12 Wolfpack coach's decision, have never stepped foot into a national tournament. Therefore, you are very unfamiliar with the talent level within these 2 divisions. Most Division 1 teams get their players from across the state and utilize their 3 cross boundary exemptions. There is NO way a Northern KY All star team could be considered as a Division 1 caliber team. That's not to say that no team from NKY should play D1, it just doesn't fit the definition of one. There have been some that have been successful at the state and national level. The Georgetown Thunder was a team that drew it's kids from a small area and competed on the D1 level. They are the exception to the rule. For all you naysayers, D1 and D2 comes down to one thing......The parents and coaches make the decision and the team follows the decision on which division to compete. As I've said before, :deadhorse:too many people try to make AAU something it's not. AAU is an organization that allows for youth and adults to compete. They are not the sports police - They provide an opportunity...that's it! Good luck to all the teams that are playing this weekend. GO PACK! First, I thought only the kids competed? I thought the adults were suppose watch and support their children. Hmm.... You can use the definitions above as a guideline to help determine the right division to play in, however it is just that, a guideline. It's my opinion the coach should know his/her team and what division they are best suited to complete in. I have little to no information about Ky Elite or Omega, however, all year I have read threads on how great Wolfpack is and how they got the 3 best players in the state (Stanley, Moeves, and Robinson) and how they beat all the teams they play and then when the chips are on the line, they play D2. Makes no sense to me. Bottom line is most on this site have seen Wolfpack and all agree they are a D1 Kentucky State team. Take this a compliment!!!! Why try to win D2 when you have the horses to challange for the D1 title?
fan4nascar Posted March 18, 2009 Posted March 18, 2009 My son is a friend of one of the NKY Wolfpack players. My understanding is the coach let the parents AND players vote on whether they wanted to go D1 or D2. After being disappointed last year because of the weather in March and unable to participate in the April state tournament, he wanted to be sure that the kids got to do what they wanted to do. And also from what I understand, it was a close vote to go D2. The kids want a shot at winning D2 and then going D1 next year. I guess I don’t understand what all the fuss is about...you have the Scott County Wolfpack who won D2 last year going D2 again this year and no one is making a fuss about that. This NKY Wolfpack team has never won a state tournament. Let the kids try to win one...it’s not guarantee that they’ll win. I’m a firm believer on any given day, ANY team can be beat. And really, I can’t imagine a high school or college coach telling a kid, “Sorry you can’t play for me, your team only won a D2 AAU State tournament.” As a matter of fact, I doubt they’ll care very much what the player did at 12-years-old.
Slemac90 Posted March 18, 2009 Posted March 18, 2009 First, I thought only the kids competed? I thought the adults were suppose watch and support their children. Hmm.... You can use the definitions above as a guideline to help determine the right division to play in, however it is just that, a guideline. It's my opinion the coach should know his/her team and what division they are best suited to complete in. I have little to no information about Ky Elite or Omega, however, all year I have read threads on how great Wolfpack is and how they got the 3 best players in the state (Stanley, Moeves, and Robinson) and how they beat all the teams they play and then when the chips are on the line, they play D2. Makes no sense to me. Bottom line is most on this site have seen Wolfpack and all agree they are a D1 Kentucky State team. Take this a compliment!!!! Why try to win D2 when you have the horses to challange for the D1 title? First, AAU is an organization that offers more than just Boys Basketball. That's what my comment was referencing. Hopefully that answers your Hmm.... I would think that some, not most, on this site have seen Wolfpack play. I am not the coach or parent of the U12 team. I am involved with the U13 team. I think they could not only compete at the D1 level at the U12, but also at the D2 level at the U13 state. However, this team made a decision to play D2 and based on what a D1 vs. a D2 team guidelines established by AAU, All NKY Wolfpack teams are D2. Just because they "beat" everyone they play, which they don't, doesn't mean they should go D2. In my honest opinion, D1 at the state level is for those organizations that are looking to compete on the national level as well. Just my opinion, but based on 7 years of observation of AAU state and national competitions. GO PACK!
southernkyhoops Posted March 19, 2009 Author Posted March 19, 2009 I understand that next season Kentucky may have the D1 tournament a couple of weeks prior to the D2 tournament and if you don't qualify D1 for the nationals you come down and compete in the D2 state. Tennessee and Ohio do this and it seems to work quite well. I think we would try D1 and then play in the second tournament. Kentucky Elite did not get one player we thought we would and another potential starter broke his wrist and still can't play. The bottom line is, in this age group no one wants to play the Ville. The Tigers don't seem to scare anyone. In all honesty, in my opinion, the NKY Wolfpack, Kentucky Elite, Scott County Wolfpack, Omega, and the Suns should play D1. I think all of these teams would play D1 if the earlier mentioned format was used.
Slemac90 Posted March 19, 2009 Posted March 19, 2009 I understand that next season Kentucky may have the D1 tournament a couple of weeks prior to the D2 tournament and if you don't qualify D1 for the nationals you come down and compete in the D2 state. Tennessee and Ohio do this and it seems to work quite well. I think we would try D1 and then play in the second tournament. Kentucky Elite did not get one player we thought we would and another potential starter broke his wrist and still can't play. The bottom line is, in this age group no one wants to play the Ville. The Tigers don't seem to scare anyone. In all honesty, in my opinion, the NKY Wolfpack, Kentucky Elite, Scott County Wolfpack, Omega, and the Suns should play D1. I think all of these teams would play D1 if the earlier mentioned format was used. This format would be even better if they required all teams to play D1 and then the teams who didn't finish in the top 4 could play another tournament a few weeks later. Having 2 separate tournaments on separate weekends won't change the D1 vs. D2 debate.
southernkyhoops Posted March 20, 2009 Author Posted March 20, 2009 It will never be resolved until clear guidelines have been established. Basically, D2 should be for kids from the same school district.
Weakside Posted March 20, 2009 Posted March 20, 2009 First, AAU is an organization that offers more than just Boys Basketball. That's what my comment was referencing. Hopefully that answers your Hmm.... I would think that some, not most, on this site have seen Wolfpack play. I am not the coach or parent of the U12 team. I am involved with the U13 team. I think they could not only compete at the D1 level at the U12, but also at the D2 level at the U13 state. However, this team made a decision to play D2 and based on what a D1 vs. a D2 team guidelines established by AAU, All NKY Wolfpack teams are D2. Just because they "beat" everyone they play, which they don't, doesn't mean they should go D2. In my honest opinion, D1 at the state level is for those organizations that are looking to compete on the national level as well. Just my opinion, but based on 7 years of observation of AAU state and national competitions. GO PACK! Why play D2 then if they can compete in D1 at U12 and D2 at U13 state? There is a term that is used in golf and it's called, sandbagging.
.png.ffa34568722b20f38e3c3ecfcb9a2cd2.png)
.thumb.jpeg.8d2472ffe992a9c5c22b4582f4881eab.jpeg)
Recommended Posts
Archived
This topic is now archived and is closed to further replies.