UKPat02 Posted October 3, 2008 Share Posted October 3, 2008 Pulling out his resources from the state... http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20081002/ap_on_el_pr/mccain Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
UKMustangFan Posted October 3, 2008 Share Posted October 3, 2008 The second he named anyone other than Romney as his VP, he essentially conceded Michigan.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gunner11 Posted October 3, 2008 Share Posted October 3, 2008 Good thing he doesn't need Michigan to win... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hoot Gibson Posted October 3, 2008 Share Posted October 3, 2008 The second he named anyone other than Romney as his VP, he essentially conceded Michigan....McCain ran a horrible primary campaign in Michigan. His only hope of winning it was to turn Palin loose there and smile while she did most of the talking. Telling displaced auto workers that jobs like the ones that they have lost would never return was not good politics and not necessarily true, given the right tax and regulatory environment. Democrats have destroyed Michigan's economy through heavy taxation and the state should have been competitive. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Habib Posted October 3, 2008 Share Posted October 3, 2008 ^ Being honest is what helped McCain win the primaries. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hoot Gibson Posted October 3, 2008 Share Posted October 3, 2008 ^ Being honest is what helped McCain win the primaries.It did not help him win Michigan. A state full of people saddled with an unemployment rate a full percent higher than any other state were looking for some optimism in a presidential candidate and they still are. I am sure that McCain believes that it is not possible to bring auto jobs back to Michigan but thousands of people who work in new Honda, Toyota, and Nissan plants know better. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Habib Posted October 3, 2008 Share Posted October 3, 2008 Get a grip, McCain is right on this one. If you're going to be an advocate of free trade, as I am, then have the stones to tell manufacturers they aren't going to be competitive globally and advocate programs that will put them in a position to be competitive. But don't lie to them. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hoot Gibson Posted October 3, 2008 Share Posted October 3, 2008 Get a grip, McCain is right on this one. If you're going to be an advocate of free trade, as I am, then have the stones to tell manufacturers they aren't going to be competitive globally and advocate programs that will put them in a position to be competitive. But don't lie to them.I have a fire grip on reality, thank you very much. Michigan is home to a very skilled workforce. If other states can dangle tax breaks and offer friendly business climates to land Japanese and South Korean auto plants there is no reason Michigan could not have done the same. Raising business and property taxes in response to a fleeing business tax base is no way to create jobs. Michigan has become a very unattractive state for prospective businesses and it should be fairly easy for Republicans to lay the blame for Michigan's economic disaster at the feet of the state's Democratic elected officials. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Habib Posted October 3, 2008 Share Posted October 3, 2008 I suppose that's why the American companies operating in Detroit who are continually fed special assistance (which includes tax breaks) and aid packages keep shipping plants out of the country. Tax breaks aren't going to make Americans competitive in manufacturing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hoot Gibson Posted October 3, 2008 Share Posted October 3, 2008 I suppose that's why the American companies operating in Detroit who are continually fed special assistance (which includes tax breaks) and aid packages keep shipping plants out of the country. Tax breaks aren't going to make Americans competitive in manufacturing.You are continuing to ignore the fact that new auto plants are being built in this country even now. Poor governance in Lansing and high taxes helped chase manufacturing jobs from Michigan and are discouraging their return. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Habib Posted October 3, 2008 Share Posted October 3, 2008 I don't ignore anything. If it weren't for the prohibitive cost to ship the cars from Asia and the fact that Americans are inclined to purchase things "built in the USA" Asian companies wouldn't bother. Tax rates may dictate which state the companies locate to, but they aren't locating here for the taxes. Besides, those tax deals are usually exclusive and negotiated between the state and the company specifically, just like the Big 3 do it. Michigan's problem isn't taxes, it's a complete over-reliance on manufacturing. McCain would have never been competitive in Michigan had he not been honest about it. Michigan is thoroughbred labor state who traditionally vote Democratic, oppose trade, and are receptive to the "tax the rich" rhetoric. Despite the built in factors working against him and the newly dawned financial crisis, the fact that McCain was even in striking distance is a testament to him. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hoot Gibson Posted October 3, 2008 Share Posted October 3, 2008 I don't ignore anything. If it weren't for the prohibitive cost to ship the cars from Asia and the fact that Americans are inclined to purchase things "built in the USA" Asian companies wouldn't bother. Tax rates may dictate which state the companies locate to, but they aren't locating here for the taxes. Besides, those tax deals are usually exclusive and negotiated between the state and the company specifically, just like the Big 3 do it. Michigan's problem isn't taxes, it's a complete over-reliance on manufacturing. McCain would have never been competitive in Michigan had he not been honest about it. Michigan is thoroughbred labor state who traditionally vote Democratic, oppose trade, and are receptive to the "tax the rich" rhetoric. Despite the built in factors working against him and the newly dawned financial crisis, the fact that McCain was even in striking distance is a testament to him. Romney was honest with Michigan voters too and he won the primary. Democrats' "tax the rich" mentality has not been kind to its remaining residents. A good, optimistic pro-business candidate could carry Michigan. Obama is just offering more of the same type of taxes and government policies that have already deciimated Michigan's economy. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mcpapa Posted October 3, 2008 Share Posted October 3, 2008 Romney was honest with Michigan voters too and he won the primary. Democrats' "tax the rich" mentality has not been kind to its remaining residents. A good, optimistic pro-business candidate could carry Michigan. Obama is just offering more of the same type of taxes and government policies that have already deciimated Michigan's economy. If this is indeed the case, why would Sen. McCain be "conceding the state"? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
75center Posted October 3, 2008 Share Posted October 3, 2008 If this is indeed the case, why would Sen. McCain be "conceding the state"? What does one have to do with the other? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
4chs Posted October 3, 2008 Share Posted October 3, 2008 Michigan was there for the Republicans to take after the state Democratic party had helped to wreck their economy............McCain missed a golden opportunity, one that he really can't afford to lose. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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