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Question- do most politicians who "oppose stem cell research" oppose all stem cell research, or just embryonic stem cell research?

 

Disclaimer: I am going to try to turn this thread into one about the issues, instead of name-calling and pseudo-political discussion.

 

Does anyone know the answer? Because, FWIW, I have zero problem with the four other types of stem cell research, but the least effective (and ethically questionable) method

I hate to be defending Democrats, but - much like the "much-ado-about-nothing" lipstick remark by Obama - I don't see what was so offensive about Biden's statement. You get the feeling that each party objects/whines/distorts about as much as they possibly can from the other camp in the hopes that at least one of their complaints will stick to the wall and temporarily capture the media's attention. It truly does get tiresome . . .

I hate to be defending Democrats, but - much like the "much-ado-about-nothing" lipstick remark by Obama - I don't see what was so offensive about Biden's statement. You get the feeling that each party objects/whines/distorts about as much as they possibly can from the other camp in the hopes that at least one of their complaints will stick to the wall and temporarily capture the media's attention. It truly does get tiresome . . .

 

I'm with you. I'll be so glad when this election is over.

I understand the point Biden is trying to make but as usual he takes the wrong avenue to address it. I've never been a big fan of him mainly because of his undying love for the taste of his foot. This isn't really a big issue imo though.

I agree with Biden. He's right. How can you say you care about these kids and then stand in the way of medical research that could help them?

I agree with Biden. He's right. How can you say you care about these kids and then stand in the way of medical research that could help them?

So what ever it takes as long as it is in the name of medical research? I would love for them to find a cure for cancer but not if the research meanth cutting off the legs of 5 year olds (extreme example I know but you get the point I hope).

So what ever it takes as long as it is in the name of medical research? I would love for them to find a cure for cancer but not if the research meanth cutting off the legs of 5 year olds (extreme example I know but you get the point I hope).

 

 

Doing research on inanimate tissue is not in any way, shape, or form analogous to cutting off the legs of 5 year olds. Weak argument. I'd like to hear the justification for holding back research that has the potential to benefit humanity.

I don't have a problem with his comments at all, I agree with him 100%

Doing research on inanimate tissue is not in any way, shape, or form analogous to cutting off the legs of 5 year olds. Weak argument. I'd like to hear the justification for holding back research that has the potential to benefit humanity.

I'm sorry, I guess the part I put in parathesis must not show up on your computer. I didn't say it was the same. My point was if you think something is wrong then the ends don't justify the means.

 

Disclaimer: I am going to try to turn this thread into one about the issues, instead of name-calling and pseudo-political discussion.

 

 

Who said that wasn't the intent? :confused:

Just because someone called Biden's comments "a new low" doesn't mean they are.

 

Biden made a valid point ...

I agree with Biden. He's right. How can you say you care about these kids and then stand in the way of medical research that could help them?

 

It's not quite that easy. I don't have a problem with Biden's comment, as he is obviously a proponent of stem cell technologies. But that fact is that there are many good, well-intentioned people that "care about kids" that have genuine, legitimate objections to human embryonic stem cell research. I am not one, but I respect the views of those with those concerns.

I don't agree with his comment, because there are ways to support the interests of special needs kids other than stem cell research. To say that anyone that opposes it, doesn't really care about the kids is flat out wrong.

 

Stem cell research is a very tricky issue, due to the fact that a large portion of people in this country feel it is bigger than a political issue, but a religious or moral one as well. I know we are supposed to have a separation of church and state, but if a person truly believes something is wrong based on there moral or religious beliefs than I see no problem with them refusing to support it.

 

Is that post enough about the issue cch?

My point was if you think something is wrong then the ends don't justify the means.

 

 

What means? The conducting of the research doesn't cause the death of the unborn. The means in this case is the scientific research. There is no causal connection between the research and what happened before.

 

By obstructing the opportunity (i.e. scientific research) for a beneficial outcome, no benefit is derived whatsoever.

 

That doesn't pass the common sense test, IMO.