A lot of people are struggling to survive right now WITHOUT paying for their child's education. How would you expect those people to make it?

 

Why should I have to pay for it though?

Why should I have to pay for it though?

 

To avoid having society revert back to the dark ages.

Why should I have to pay for it though?

 

To paraphrase someone:

 

Because I would rather live in the company of educated neighbors, and in a country with an educated population. Should I happen to be a businessman, I will pay for the education of others that my business might succeed by virtue of being able to draw upon an educated workforce.

To paraphrase someone:

 

Because I would rather live in the company of educated neighbors, and in a country with an educated population. Should I happen to be a businessman, I will pay for the education of others that my business might succeed by virtue of being able to draw upon an educated workforce.

 

UKMF must want to open a sweatshop, or run a plantation.

If we ran out of nuclear physicists, engineers, and many other educated positions, it would be a matter of national security. We need thinkers.

So these people if not forced to go to school wouldn't have succeeded? I would say you can go to your local university's engineering department and for the most part their parents would have enrolled them in some form of elementary education. It's their drive that got them where they are...not my tax dollars.

I have howled at the moon about this for fifteen years and noone cares.

 

MacroPublicly-funded education and public welfare work hand-in-hand.

 

This country was a world power at the turn of the century and into the 1920's, and publicly funded education was not mandatory. Everything was local option. Each community paid for its own schoolhouse. Even the state university system was local option (as it still is. Ever wonder why colleges have not been federalized?).

 

People cared enough about their children to educate them, and communities cared enough in some circumstances to pay for it. If they didn't, people starved. Why? Because they were not guaranteed a social safety net.

 

Now, people are guaranteed a social safety net. Therefore, education is no longer critical. The government will provide you with a baseline level of subsistence no matter what animalistic behavior you engage in, therefore, education is no longer critical mass. In an ironic twist, mandatory education is actually viewed as "elective."

I'm with FormerKY, albeit for different reasons.

I would totally agree with your reasons too!

 

Also could you better explain the British/German school system? I would probably be in favor of it over the current system. Like I said, I could deal with localization.

Edited September 5, 200818 yr by formerkywrestler

To avoid having society revert back to the dark ages.

I would disagree. I think it requires people to be more responsible for their actions (reproducing for instance). People who responsibly have children will want to pay for their child's education.

 

And I'm sorry, I don't buy the accidents happen argument either. I know a person who is 24 with a three year old. He stopped his college career and opened his own painting business. He is now running a successful painting business, going to college, owns a house, and is paying for private pre-school. You can make it work.

 

I think through government funded hand outs we have become a society where one doesn't have to be responsible for the choices they do and do not make.

I think the Republican position on voucher systems is correct.

Can you explain the voucher system to me? I think I understand it but some of the explaination I have read are confusing.

To paraphrase someone:

 

Because I would rather live in the company of educated neighbors, and in a country with an educated population. Should I happen to be a businessman, I will pay for the education of others that my business might succeed by virtue of being able to draw upon an educated workforce.

I would disagree. I think it requires people to be more responsible for their actions (reproducing for instance). People who responsibly have children will want to pay for their child's education.

 

And I'm sorry, I don't buy the accidents happen argument either. I know a person who is 24 with a three year old. He stopped his college career and opened his own painting business. He is now running a successful painting business, going to college, owns a house, and is paying for private pre-school. You can make it work.

 

I think through government funded hand outs we have become a society where one doesn't have to be responsible for the choices they do and do not make.

Both of these posts are well said.

So these people if not forced to go to school wouldn't have succeeded? I would say you can go to your local university's engineering department and for the most part their parents would have enrolled them in some form of elementary education. It's their drive that got them where they are...not my tax dollars.

The poor should not be systematically eliminated from education. To be honest, I have very little sympathy for poor people and I am a strong opponent of welfare. But the resources should be there, for matters of national security, and mcpapa's post above.

 

FWIW, I don't think that public education should be compulsory. Citizens should not have to go. That would, IMO, bring down some of the waste in time/money/resources with students with no drive, and also, as you said, have (for a large part) mainly the students who have some drive.

I would eliminate most social safety nets and then be agreeable to publicly-funded education under the British/German form of school system. I have advocated that on this board before.

I was initially opposed to it, but it gets better sounding each day.

 

Still seems like creating an untermenschen in some ways though.

Can you explain the voucher system to me? I think I understand it but some of the explaination I have read are confusing.

 

My understanding, parents get a voucher to repesent the amount that the gov spends on a child for their education. The parent could present that to any school that they may want their child to attend.

 

It may not represent the full amount of tuition that a school charges.

 

Just what the gov't would spend on educating one child.

My understanding, parents get a voucher to repesent the amount that the gov spends on a child for their education. The parent could present that to any school that they may want their child to attend.

 

It may not represent the full amount of tuition that a school charges.

 

Just what the gov't would spend on educating one child.

Do you have any idea what the state of Kentucky estimates it spends to educate one child for one year?

Do you have any idea what the state of Kentucky estimates it spends to educate one child for one year?

 

I used to but presently do not.

Do you have any idea what the state of Kentucky estimates it spends to educate one child for one year?

The Federal Government spends slightly above $9,000 a year per child for each student in the school. FWIW, I feel that I got an excellent education at Covington Catholic High School (if you want my ACT scores or anything, PM me) for well under $7,000.

The Federal Government spends slightly above $9,000 a year per child for each student in the school. FWIW, I feel that I got an excellent education at Covington Catholic High School (if you want my ACT scores or anything, PM me) for well under $7,000.

Is it the Federal Government or the state of Kentucky spending $9000? If that number is federal alone then how much more does Kentucky kick in? And I agree if that number is accurate then the give me the money and let me choose where to send my child. I guarantee you if the schools had to compete for the business education would greatly improve.

Is it the Federal Government or the state of Kentucky spending $9000? If that number is federal alone then how much more does Kentucky kick in? And I agree if that number is accurate then the give me the money and let me choose where to send my child. I guarantee you if the schools had to compete for the business education would greatly improve.

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Betcha you never thought you'd see me do that in reply to a post you made in the P&R forum.