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Betcha you never thought you'd see me do that in reply to a post you made in the P&R forum.

I would probably be sending my daughter to Mater Dei or Memorial in Evansville if it wasn't so expensive. I love Henderson but some of the horror stories I have heard about the high school just makes me shake my head.

Public Education is a constitutional requirement set forth in each state.

 

As to how to improve it, simply remove tenure.

Public Education is a constitutional requirement set forth in each state.

 

As to how to improve it, simply remove tenure.

 

Tenure is something that gets blown out of proportion imo. Here are some things that if removed might actually help:

1. The emphasis on college prep for all students.

2. The emphasis on KATS testing.

3. The lack of emphasis on vocational training and its value in educating children and preparing them for real world living.

4. The tolerance for putting up with students who continually disrupt the learning process.

5. The ease of which students are identified as "special ed". Especially when a student is really just an unmotivated jerk.

6. The joke that is "No Child Left Behind".

7. The idea that it is a positive thing to "mainstream" a child so that instead of being in a setting where he/she can succeed, he/she is destined to fail - and everyone involved knows they should fail... but they are given modifications so that they pass. Nothing is learned, but the paperwork adds up for the state requirements.

 

That's enough for now. Maybe more later...

Is it the Federal Government or the state of Kentucky spending $9000? If that number is federal alone then how much more does Kentucky kick in? And I agree if that number is accurate then the give me the money and let me choose where to send my child. I guarantee you if the schools had to compete for the business education would greatly improve.

 

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Betcha you never thought you'd see me do that in reply to a post you made in the P&R forum.

 

And don't want to go off on a public/private threadjack, but that guarantee also goes that if the private schools had to educate ALL CHILDREN, those tests scores of the privates would plummet.

Public Education is a constitutional requirement set forth in each state.

 

As to how to improve it, simply remove tenure.

 

And at times, remove good, no great teachers, who have perturbed a board member because they didn't play their child enough on the sports field.

 

All tenure is NOT BAD.

 

And despite your claims, bad teachers with tenure can and have been removed.

 

I guess you would also be for removing the protection of unfair firings that unions provide their workers?

And don't want to go off on a public/private threadjack, but that guarantee also goes that if the private schools had to educate ALL CHILDREN, those tests scores of the privates would plummet.

My post had nothing to do with public or private. It just happens to be the only option right now. If we were to go to a voucher program wouldn't all schools be technically private. And I also agree with you on the test scores.

My post had nothing to do with public or private. It just happens to be the only option right now. If we were to go to a voucher program wouldn't all schools be technically private. And I also agree with you on the test scores.

 

I agree it did not. But some take that statement as validation that privates are so much better than publics because of the perceived failing of public schools.

 

I would love to know some more specifics on the voucher to see if students can be turned away.

And at times, remove good, no great teachers, who have perturbed a board member because they didn't play their child enough on the sports field.

 

All tenure is NOT BAD.

 

And despite your claims, bad teachers with tenure can and have been removed.

 

I guess you would also be for removing the protection of unfair firings that unions provide their workers?

 

 

I find your point of view to be in conflict. On one hand you say if you had vouchers, you would use it. On the other, you defend the very thing that really separates private and public education. All private teachers are held to the standard each year. They fail it, they are fired yet you support their approach?! As for playing time in a sports field I am sure you can point to some malcontent teacher who would make that story to be true and teachers must be protected by it. Why? No one has job protection anymore and I do not think anyone should be entitled to it. Unfair firings, help me understand what a fair firing is. There is a private school teacher who by all accounts did an outstanding job for over 20 years. This past year, she was fired. I really did not have much empathy for the teacher. What she did was wrong. There is nothing wrong in being held and it always seems to be a better result when people have something to lose if they do not do a good job.

 

Unions, I am sure the great unions of the past are nothing like the evolution of what these organizations are today.

Tenure is something that gets blown out of proportion imo. Here are some things that if removed might actually help:

1. The emphasis on college prep for all students.

2. The emphasis on KATS testing.

3. The lack of emphasis on vocational training and its value in educating children and preparing them for real world living.

4. The tolerance for putting up with students who continually disrupt the learning process.

5. The ease of which students are identified as "special ed". Especially when a student is really just an unmotivated jerk.

6. The joke that is "No Child Left Behind".

7. The idea that it is a positive thing to "mainstream" a child so that instead of being in a setting where he/she can succeed, he/she is destined to fail - and everyone involved knows they should fail... but they are given modifications so that they pass. Nothing is learned, but the paperwork adds up for the state requirements.

 

That's enough for now. Maybe more later...

 

Quite a bit of this compliments of Conservative Republican leadership I might add.

My post had nothing to do with public or private. It just happens to be the only option right now. If we were to go to a voucher program wouldn't all schools be technically private. And I also agree with you on the test scores.

 

Vouchers for Kentucky. Question to this premise, would the dollar amount be what the state provides to the local school district? If so, how would that work given the difference of what Jefferson County gets vs. Cumberland? Would you also suggest a local generated tax would have to be voucher qualified as well?

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It's unbelievable that anyone has this mentality.

I find your point of view to be in conflict. On one hand you say if you had vouchers, you would use it. On the other, you defend the very thing that really separates private and public education. All private teachers are held to the standard each year. They fail it, they are fired yet you support their approach?! As for playing time in a sports field I am sure you can point to some malcontent teacher who would make that story to be true and teachers must be protected by it. Why? No one has job protection anymore and I do not think anyone should be entitled to it. Unfair firings, help me understand what a fair firing is. There is a private school teacher who by all accounts did an outstanding job for over 20 years. This past year, she was fired. I really did not have much empathy for the teacher. What she did was wrong. There is nothing wrong in being held and it always seems to be a better result when people have something to lose if they do not do a good job.

 

Unions, I am sure the great unions of the past are nothing like the evolution of what these organizations are today.

 

So, you think the thing that separates private and public is the handling of teachers.

 

Wow, I would have thought it might be the teaching of religion classes.

Or, that one does not have to educate all types of youth while the other does.

Or, that one pays tuition while the other is that there is no direct cost to attend.

Or, that one is supported by the government while the other is not.

Rather, the thing you point to is that they can fire teachers.

 

Unfair firing.

Principal wants a kid to have a certain grade to be eligible for scholarships/athletics/grade change and move them onto the next school/etc.

Teacher refuses to give the child that grade.

Teacher is fired.

 

 

 

Absolutely, I AGREE with you that there are bad teachers out there. Tenure does not PREVENT them from being fired. They CAN be fired. Principal shows they are a bad teacher and they can fire them.

Vouchers for Kentucky. Question to this premise, would the dollar amount be what the state provides to the local school district? If so, how would that work given the difference of what Jefferson County gets vs. Cumberland? Would you also suggest a local generated tax would have to be voucher qualified as well?

 

Great questions that will need to be worked out.

I had this discussion with my father today.

 

He was buying into the NEA/Democrat line that this would benefit the rich.

I told him that was ridiculous.

 

The rich NOW send their children anywhere they want. There is no boundaries because they ARE RICH!!!! They can afford the tuition to whereever they want.

 

It is the middle class and poor that do not have choice as it stands now.

 

Vouchers would mostly bring the same opportunities that the rich HAVE NOW to all.

 

Is that a bad thing?

I do not accept or buy into your stereotype propositions. I know some extremely wealthy people who send their children to public schools. I know many middle and lower class who send their children to private schools. By the way, not all private schools have a religion class. I guess you never heard of private, military schools. You also hold onto some point of a firing over a sport vs. a teacher. Like that could not be a major lawsuit if that actually happened. As with all things called a teacher firing, there is always more to the story the teacher does not always tell, like the truth.