I don't think any of us said we're OK with it ... but as transgressions go, I think some of those of our current president have had far worse impact on this country.

So, you're OK with what took place in the Oval Office?

 

I'm definitely NOT okay with what takes place in the Oval Office now. I feel that current decisions will have a much longer lasting negative effect on our country. With the situation of which you speak, I don't consider it my business.

I'm definitely NOT okay with what takes place in the Oval Office now. I feel that current decisions will have a much longer lasting negative effect on our country. With the situation of which you speak, I don't consider it my business.

You should, it's the peoples office, so to speak.

My problem with it is WHERE it happed. That made it an issue to every American IMO, or at least should have.

:thumb: Very few of us who do not own our own business could have been caught engaging in the activities in which Bill Clinton engaged in his employers' place of business and not lost our job. For me, and for many others, the same sort of behvior would have cost us both our jobs and our marriages. I wish that Clinton had been impeached for a more serious transgression, but the nation's president cannot be allowed to commit perjury.

 

That being said, Clinton did half the damage to this country in two terms that Jimmy Carter did in one term. Gore, Kerry, and Obama have been far worse candidates than Bill Clinton. Maybe liberal Democrats can convince Bernie Sanders to move to the left and run for president in 2012 as a Democrat if Obama loses this fall. :lol:

:thumb: Very few of us who do not own our own business could have been caught engaging in the activities in which Bill Clinton engaged in his employers' place of business and not lost our job. For me, and for many others, the same sort of behvior would have cost us both our jobs and our marriages. I wish that Clinton had been impeached for a more serious transgression, but the nation's president cannot be allowed to commit perjury.

 

That being said, Clinton did half the damage to this country in two terms that Jimmy Carter did in one term. Gore, Kerry, and Obama have been far worse candidates than Bill Clinton. Maybe liberal Democrats can convince Bernie Sanders to move to the left and run for president in 2012 as a Democrat if Obama loses this fall. :lol:

Such an unbiased view ... :lol:

Tell me how Clinton's actions hurt the average (or above average American, if you are insulted to be included in "average") American? Did it cost the taxpayers billions of dollars? Did it cause people to lose their lives because of it's lack of planning, reluctance to wait for all the facts to be in? Cause the destabilazation of the economy? Create a need to prop up a foreign nation for generations to come? Cause grief to come to the families of those killed?

 

Maybe I'm jaded. I wasn't disillousioned by an extra-marital affair in the workplace. I pretty much said "Well, he's a man....it doesn't surprise me." But, I went on with my life, not worried about world issues or fearing that someday my son or daughter may wind up fighting for a cause that seems to have changed over it's course of time. I felt sorry for his family, but really, I felt it was no skin off my nose.

 

Disillousionment? That came at the hands of our current President, over the course of several months of "global bullying". Disillousionment? That's how I feel when I see people who are otherwise sane individuals condoning military action against a country uninvolved in the actions of those who attacked us, falling for the "patriotic" rhetoric spewed by a man who only has his own interests at heart. Disillousionment? When I, as an American, am ridiculed, branded unpatriotic, called naive, for not believing in senseless and needless violence to create a diversionary situation to cover the fact that we have no idea of how to find the person responsible.

Tell me how Clinton's actions hurt the average (or above average American, if you are insulted to be included in "average") American? Did it cost the taxpayers billions of dollars? Did it cause people to lose their lives because of it's lack of planning, reluctance to wait for all the facts to be in? Cause the destabilazation of the economy? Create a need to prop up a foreign nation for generations to come? Cause grief to come to the families of those killed?

 

Maybe I'm jaded. I wasn't disillousioned by an extra-marital affair in the workplace. I pretty much said "Well, he's a man....it doesn't surprise me." But, I went on with my life, not worried about world issues or fearing that someday my son or daughter may wind up fighting for a cause that seems to have changed over it's course of time. I felt sorry for his family, but really, I felt it was no skin off my nose.

 

Disillousionment? That came at the hands of our current President, over the course of several months of "global bullying". Disillousionment? That's how I feel when I see people who are otherwise sane individuals condoning military action against a country uninvolved in the actions of those who attacked us, falling for the "patriotic" rhetoric spewed by a man who only has his own interests at heart. Disillousionment? When I, as an American, am ridiculed, branded unpatriotic, called naive, for not believing in senseless and needless violence to create a diversionary situation to cover the fact that we have no idea of how to find the person responsible.

Bravo, bravo, bravo ...

Tell me how Clinton's actions hurt the average (or above average American, if you are insulted to be included in "average") American? Did it cost the taxpayers billions of dollars? Did it cause people to lose their lives because of it's lack of planning, reluctance to wait for all the facts to be in? Cause the destabilazation of the economy? Create a need to prop up a foreign nation for generations to come? Cause grief to come to the families of those killed?

 

Maybe I'm jaded. I wasn't disillousioned by an extra-marital affair in the workplace. I pretty much said "Well, he's a man....it doesn't surprise me." But, I went on with my life, not worried about world issues or fearing that someday my son or daughter may wind up fighting for a cause that seems to have changed over it's course of time. I felt sorry for his family, but really, I felt it was no skin off my nose.

 

Disillousionment? That came at the hands of our current President, over the course of several months of "global bullying". Disillousionment? That's how I feel when I see people who are otherwise sane individuals condoning military action against a country uninvolved in the actions of those who attacked us, falling for the "patriotic" rhetoric spewed by a man who only has his own interests at heart. Disillousionment? When I, as an American, am ridiculed, branded unpatriotic, called naive, for not believing in senseless and needless violence to create a diversionary situation to cover the fact that we have no idea of how to find the person responsible.

Do you think that it would be okay for the top ranking manager at your place of business to do what Bill Clinton did with a college aged co-op on company property during regular business hours? If not, is there a reason that our nation's president should be held to a lower standard?

Do you think that it would be okay for the top ranking manager at your place of business to do what Bill Clinton did with a college aged co-op on company property during regular business hours? If not, is there a reason that our nation's president should be held to a lower standard?

 

 

Well, as someone who's actually worked in exactly that situation, I can say with 100% certainty that I kept doing my job, and didn't even know until it was over. See, I personally don't think personal and business should mix. That extends to me keeping my nose out of other people's business. The people involved in the affair continued doing their jobs, doing them very well. They've since left and gone on to even better things. As I said in my previous post, it's no skin off my nose. I don't have to like the people I work with. But, I do have to work with them. I don't have to agree with their politics, their religious views, their ways of living their private lives. But, we are all focused on the same business goal...and I get paid to do my job, and as long as they are doing theirs, I don't think it's my business.

 

The whole Clinton affair came out because a woman wanted to make a name for herself. Yeah, he had an affair. You want to crucify him. What about the self-serving actions of an opportunistic, vengeful woman, who was obviously cunning enough to use the affair to gain fame and a measure of fortune? Infamy is still fame. I have a hard time thinking of her as some naive college intern, easily manipulated by a man in power. I was her age once, and I can say (again with 100% certainty), women that age are not as naive as they seem.

Well, as someone who's actually worked in exactly that situation, I can say with 100% certainty that I kept doing my job, and didn't even know until it was over. See, I personally don't think personal and business should mix. That extends to me keeping my nose out of other people's business. The people involved in the affair continued doing their jobs, doing them very well. They've since left and gone on to even better things. As I said in my previous post, it's no skin off my nose. I don't have to like the people I work with. But, I do have to work with them. I don't have to agree with their politics, their religious views, their ways of living their private lives. But, we are all focused on the same business goal...and I get paid to do my job, and as long as they are doing theirs, I don't think it's my business.

 

The whole Clinton affair came out because a woman wanted to make a name for herself. Yeah, he had an affair. You want to crucify him. What about the self-serving actions of an opportunistic, vengeful woman, who was obviously cunning enough to use the affair to gain fame and a measure of fortune? Infamy is still fame. I have a hard time thinking of her as some naive college intern, easily manipulated by a man in power. I was her age once, and I can say (again with 100% certainty), women that age are not as naive as they seem.

If you owned the business and you caught your top manager engaged in an affair with a young intern on company property, would you simply look the other way?

If you owned the business and you caught your top manager engaged in an affair with a young intern on company property, would you simply look the other way?

 

 

Still a private affair. And, don't tell me that that's not the way to run a business. You don't have to look deep among the major boardrooms in the country to find examples of successful adulterers. :lol:

 

Adding this:

 

As an owner of a business, I would definitely have to take disciplinary action against the manager. But, that doesn't mean that I would have to fire him, or feel his job performance relative to the success of my company was less because of his inappropriate actions. At the same time, the same disciplinary measures would have to apply to the intern as well. Equality, you know.

The whole Clinton affair came out because a woman wanted to make a name for herself. Yeah, he had an affair. You want to crucify him. What about the self-serving actions of an opportunistic, vengeful woman, who was obviously cunning enough to use the affair to gain fame and a measure of fortune? Infamy is still fame. I have a hard time thinking of her as some naive college intern, easily manipulated by a man in power. I was her age once, and I can say (again with 100% certainty), women that age are not as naive as they seem.

Actually, I think your above description better fits Linda Tripp, not Monica Lewinsky.

Actually, I think your above description better fits Linda Tripp, not Monica Lewinsky.

 

 

Oh well...it's all semantics, really. :lol:

 

No one is going to convince me that ol' Monica didn't benefit, nor that she was taken advantage of. "Just Say No" doesn't apply only to drugs. There are also harrassment laws in this country.

Monica certainly wasn't blameless, but I don't know that she ever set out to publicly out the affair. She confided in Tripp, who taped the conversations and set the process in motion.

 

I don't know that Monica actually benefitted from the publicity ... she has much more infamy than fame. She would have been better off keeping the secret and letting the Clinton machine set her up in a job.

 

You could say Tripp was the root of the "vast right-wing conspiracy" ...

Monica certainly wasn't blameless, but I don't know that she ever set out to publicly out the affair. She confided in Tripp, who taped the conversations and set the process in motion.

 

I don't know that Monica actually benefitted from the publicity ... she has much more infamy than fame. She would have been better off keeping the secret and letting the Clinton machine set her up in a job.

 

You could say Tripp was the root of the "vast right-wing conspiracy" ...

 

 

Stop it! Next you'll have them saying she was a victim! :lol: