Yea he went for like 0 for 4.:mad: Haha.

 

Elliot only threw 2 innings against Ryle in 06. I know the Ryle boys can hit, but they would have had to batted around like five times for your son to have gone 0 for 4. LOL

Elliot only threw 2 innings against Ryle in 06. I know the Ryle boys can hit, but they would have had to batted around like five times for your son to have gone 0 for 4. LOL

 

 

 

I don't think he had a kid there. Plus one player he named was Robert Lane who's dad is a coach and a great coach too by the way.

I don't think he had a kid there. Plus one player he named was Robert Lane who's dad is a coach and a great coach too by the way.

 

I think you're right on both accounts. Coach L loves his baseball...and the kids too.

Couldn't disagree more. You only find out good you truly are by playing top competition and seeing how you fare in these types of games. You can mash the Dayton's, and Villa's, and Heritage's of the world all you want and it doesn't mean a single thing, other than give your players a chance to meaninglessly boost their stats. You find out your team's true ability when matched up against the best and, here in NKY, Beechwood and Ryle are two of the best. You need to know what your best pitcher(s) and hitter(s) are truly capable of in highly competitive and stressful environments and this game is all that and more.

 

Of course, it won't be played due to the rain . . . . :cry::madman:

 

Not sure I follow what point you are trying to make... if it is at all different from from mine about seeing how good you are and what you have. Each team is good, each team only has a few games under their belt, it's a good time for the coach to get some insight on who his best players may be. To the kids, it's bragging rights (and yes they'll learn a thing or two about themselves also).

 

Not sure about the stats boosting either, where's that coming from?

Not sure I follow what point you are trying to make... if it is at all different from from mine about seeing how good you are and what you have. Each team is good, each team only has a few games under their belt, it's a good time for the coach to get some insight on who his best players may be. To the kids, it's bragging rights (and yes they'll learn a thing or two about themselves also).

 

Not sure about the stats boosting either, where's that coming from?

 

Maybe we were. But I took this comment:

 

Somebody said it before, the game means nothing more than bragging rights (for the kids). IMO play a number of kids and throw a number of pitchers...

 

to imply that the game really isn't all that important and to let all the boys play as if it's some knothole game. If that's not what you meant, then my bad. But if it is, I disagree. This is exactly the type of intense, high quality game that you need to see exactly where you stand with your best starting team to find out how they fare and what stengths/weaknesses need to be addressed.

 

You don't think boys are able to fluff up their stats during games against certain very weak opponents? I rather hit .300 agaisnt the Ryles, CCH, BHS, Highlands, Boone, etc.. of the world, than hit. 600 against some of the very small, weak schools. Those games do little, if anything, to get you ready for district, regional and state play.

Maybe we were. But I took this comment:

 

Somebody said it before, the game means nothing more than bragging rights (for the kids). IMO play a number of kids and throw a number of pitchers...

 

to imply that the game really isn't all that important and to let all the boys play as if it's some knothole game. If that's not what you meant, then my bad. But if it is, I disagree. This is exactly the type of intense, high quality game that you need to see exactly where you stand with your best starting team to find out how they fare and what stengths/weaknesses need to be addressed.

 

You don't think boys are able to fluff up their stats during games against certain very weak opponents? I rather hit .300 agaisnt the Ryles, CCH, BHS, Highlands, Boone, etc.. of the world, than hit. 600 against some of the very small, weak schools. Those games to little, if anything, to get you ready for district, regional and state play.

 

You make great points but IMO this isn't a game that you want a player to risk injury in and you definantly want to keep your pitchers on a low pitch count being as it is early in the season. With that being said, if you have to put in a weaker pitcher due to pitch count then you must do it. Both coaches and teams would have loved and played to win this game but im sure both coaches would rather have there team come out with a loss rather than an injured arm or something that will hurt there team later in the year.

Somebody said it before, the game means nothing more than bragging rights (for the kids). IMO play a number of kids and throw a number of pitchers... it's acid test time. Take time to learn something about your players that will pay-off in 2 months.

 

The winner here is the coach that picks up some insight about his club.

 

Great point, and one that is lost way too often. With so few games that will be playted this spring, the trick will be identifying what you have and what you can do in May. Too much emphasis is put into wins and losses in March and early April, that once the real pressure time comes, you don't have enough horses with experience to make the one play that will mean a win or loss at Distric/Region time.

 

Don't you bet, that this game is not just as big for the coaches though. A goodccoach understands that he has to put games into perspecitve, but there is always that game with the imaginary circle around it. The challenge for the coach, and I agree with you completely, is to let the game play itself out, make the best decisions that fit the moment and learn something about his team that can be used later.

Great point, and one that is lost way too often. With so few games that will be playted this spring, the trick will be identifying what you have and what you can do in May. Too much emphasis is put into wins and losses in March and early April, that once the real pressure time comes, you don't have enough horses with experience to make the one play that will mean a win or loss at Distric/Region time.

 

Don't you bet, that this game is not just as big for the coaches though. A goodccoach understands that he has to put games into perspecitve, but there is always that game with the imaginary circle around it. The challenge for the coach, and I agree with you completely, is to let the game play itself out, make the best decisions that fit the moment and learn something about his team that can be used later.

 

Good points and good post...

Maybe we were. But I took this comment:

 

Somebody said it before, the game means nothing more than bragging rights (for the kids). IMO play a number of kids and throw a number of pitchers...

 

to imply that the game really isn't all that important and to let all the boys play as if it's some knothole game. If that's not what you meant, then my bad. But if it is, I disagree. This is exactly the type of intense, high quality game that you need to see exactly where you stand with your best starting team to find out how they fare and what stengths/weaknesses need to be addressed.

 

You don't think boys are able to fluff up their stats during games against certain very weak opponents? I rather hit .300 agaisnt the Ryles, CCH, BHS, Highlands, Boone, etc.. of the world, than hit. 600 against some of the very small, weak schools. Those games do little, if anything, to get you ready for district, regional and state play.

 

OK, we're on the same page. This game is important, but not so much as to who plays what position, and who wins (to a certain degree) but who learns from it, and who can make the best of the situation for later in the year. With the talent in NKY this year (again) I would love to see a team form NKY take state. NKY has certainly sent their share to state ... in recent history.

 

"Stats" (or statistics) is just "situation" spelled incorrectly. get it?

If the coach at Ball State has his way, and I know this for a fact, that he has let Walt know his feelings, Cody won't be pitching. Ball State wants Cody to be their starting CF next year, and they want him to get as many innings in CF as he can get.

 

Cody I think would be much more effective for Beechwood coming in to pitch as a closer in important games, pretty much like what Boone and CovCath are thinking about doing with Faris and Maile this season.

If the coach at Ball State has his way, and I know this for a fact, that he has let Walt know his feelings, Cody won't be pitching. Ball State wants Cody to be their starting CF next year, and they want him to get as many innings in CF as he can get.

 

Cody I think would be much more effective for Beechwood coming in to pitch as a closer in important games, pretty much like what Boone and CovCath are thinking about doing with Faris and Maile this season.

 

I think I'm with you here. At CF you have to throw the ball in a line for 150 feet, but as pitcher throwing 60 feet, that may not work unless you have 90+ speed (85 for high school). Everybody can hit a fastball.

I think I'm with you here. At CF you have to throw the ball in a line for 150 feet, but as pitcher throwing 60 feet, that may not work unless you have 90+ speed (85 for high school). Everybody can hit a fastball.

 

Everybody in college can hit a 90 mph fastball?? Don't think so. Kind of like what Reggie Jackson once said about Nolan Ryan's fastball - "Every hitter likes fastballs just like everybody likes ice cream. But you don't like it when someone's stuffing it into you by the gallon". :lol: Elliott will no doubt do very well as a CF, but the boy can pitch also.

Everybody in college can hit a 90 mph fastball?? Don't think so. Kind of like what Reggie Jackson once said about Nolan Ryan's fastball - "Every hitter likes fastballs just like everybody likes ice cream. But you don't like it when someone's stuffing it into you by the gallon". :lol: Elliott will no doubt do very well as a CF, but the boy can pitch also.

 

No question he can throw the ball hard. But 85mph, with no monkey, could easily turn into batting pratice. I believe you can get by in HS with a FB and a C-up. But, if you want to throw gas for 3+ innings... good luck.

No question he can throw the ball hard. But 85mph, with no monkey, could easily turn into batting pratice. I believe you can get by in HS with a FB and a C-up. But, if you want to throw gas for 3+ innings... good luck.

 

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No question he can throw the ball hard. But 85mph, with no monkey, could easily turn into batting pratice. I believe you can get by in HS with a FB and a C-up. But, if you want to throw gas for 3+ innings... good luck.

 

I would submit that you will probably fair quite nicely if you can consistently throw an 85 mph fastball for strikes at the high school level. Add in an effective offspeed pitch and you would totally dominate. A quality fastball - especially one at 90 mph - and one good offspeed pitch will go far in college also. There have been several highly successful MLB pitchers who have thrived primarily on two pitches - a good (defined as one with high velocity and good movement) and a changeup. Some off the top of my head are:

Cole Hamels, Johan Santana, Trevor Hoffman, Greg Maddux, Mario Soto, and Pedro Martinez.