Should I conclude that you believe that the terms "government" and "white power structure" are equivalent terms?

 

Actually, worse than that - should be conclude the terms "government" and "white supremacists" to be synonymous? "White power structure" is not a term used by Wright. He frequently uses the term "white supremacists", however. In fact, let's look at a few statements from Wright's May 2006 newsletter that I previously posted to see what he may mean by "white supremacy":

 

Whites, in a culture of white supremacy, however, did not view us as equals and still do not view us as equals.

 

Having legal access to schools and public accommodations, however, does not touch the deeper moral “American” problem, which is white supremacy.

 

White supremacy controls the economic system in America, the healthcare system in America and the educational system in America. Hurricane Katrina has pulled the blinders off of all Americans and shown us what white supremacy means at its ugly core and what it has done to the fabric of these “still-yet-to-be-United States”.

 

The term “white supremacy,” however, is much more accurate. White supremacy undergirds the thought, the order that they might become more rounded and fully productive citizens in this culture and in this country.

 

We need to educate our (black) children about the white supremacist’s foundations of the educational system, the educational philosophy and the very curricula that immerses them in a culture of white supremacy from kindergarten through graduate school!

 

We deconstruct the vicious and demonic ideology of white supremacy with hope. Our hope is not built on faith-based dollars, empty liberal promises or veiled hate-filled preachments of the so-called conservatives.

 

We are on the verge of launching our African-centered Christian school. That school has to have at its core an understanding and assessment of white supremacy as we deconstruct that reality to help our children become all that God created them to be when God made them in God’s own image.

 

 

I see this above as a type of separatist, white-hatred being advocated by this “Man of God”. Interesting that he rails against the "white supremacist" educational system that unfairly disadvantages all blacks (a few of my African-American co-workers with college degrees and very well paying jobs would disagree) and his solution seems to be to want all-black schools.

Do you feel this way about all liberation theology or just Black Liberation theology? Do you feel this same way towards the Liberation Theology espoused in Central America? (i.e. the late Oscar Romero or Guiteerez)

 

In essence, liberation theology explores the relationship between Christian, particularly Roman Catholic, theology and political activism, particularly in areas of social justice, poverty and human rights. The main methodological innovation of liberation theology is to approach theology from the viewpoint of the economically poor and oppressed. According to Jon Sobrino, S.J., the poor are a privileged channel of God's grace. According to Phillip Berryman, liberation theology is "an interpretation of Christian faith through the poor's suffering, their struggle and hope, and a critique of society and the Catholic faith and Christianity through the eyes of the poor."

 

Emphasis is placed on those parts of the Bible where Jesus' mission is described not in terms of bringing peace (social order) but bringing a sword (social unrest), e.g. Matthew 10:34, Luke 22:35-38 and Matthew 26:51-52. These passages are interpreted as a call to arms to carry out what proponents see as a Christian mission of justice -- literally by some. Marxist concepts such as the doctrine of perpetual class struggle are also significant.

 

Liberation theology also emphasizes what proponents describe as individual self-actualization as part of God's divine purpose for humankind.

 

 

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Liberation_theology

 

I normally don't like quoting wikipedia but this is a good working definition of liberation theology.

I think socialism is the biggest threat to the long term security of this country. Liberation theology grew from a socialist/Marxist roots. Black liberation theology, as it is espoused by James Hal Cone and Jeremiah Wright combines a racist component with socialist doctrine.

 

I have seen Rev. Wright say nothing that conflicts with the teaching of James Cone and Cone says that Trinity United Church of Christ best reflects the black liberation theology that he founded in the late 60's.

 

I don't really fault people like Cone and Wright for being bitter racists because their opinions were formed when white racism was a huge problem in this country. However, I do fault Obama for his 20-year association with Rev. Wright and I also fault him for not being honest about what he heard in church for those 20 years.

Is he? His mother is white.

 

Listened to his pastor speak Sunday morning on BET. He was making the point that some people in the AA community have concerns that Barak is not black enough for them.

 

If he is considered AA because his father was black, why couldn't he be considered white since his mother was white?

 

Good point and why doesn't he just proclaim his race like Tiger Woods.

Good point and why doesn't he just proclaim his race like Tiger Woods.

 

Unless you are of mixed heritage, it is difficult to comprehend.

Unless you are of mixed heritage, it is difficult to comprehend.

 

If you don't know someone is bi-racial you would assume they are black, asian, etc. just by looking at them. I've met a lot of bi-racial people who identify themselves as black or asian b/c that's how they look.

I think socialism is the biggest threat to the long term security of this country. Liberation theology grew from a socialist/Marxist roots. Black liberation theology, as it is espoused by James Hal Cone and Jeremiah Wright combines a racist component with socialist doctrine.

 

I have seen Rev. Wright say nothing that conflicts with the teaching of James Cone and Cone says that Trinity United Church of Christ best reflects the black liberation theology that he founded in the late 60's.

 

I don't really fault people like Cone and Wright for being bitter racists because their opinions were formed when white racism was a huge problem in this country. However, I do fault Obama for his 20-year association with Rev. Wright and I also fault him for not being honest about what he heard in church for those 20 years.

 

I agree with this except . . . . I have a problem with Wright "preaching" his brand of anti-government, racist garbage from the pulpit, as it will only serve to perpetuate these negative and unfortunate feelings and attitudes in subsequent generations of African-Americans. Wright is, in every sense of the word, a "divider."

If you don't know someone is bi-racial you would assume they are black, asian, etc. just by looking at them. I've met a lot of bi-racial people who identify themselves as black or asian b/c that's how they look.

 

This is probably an issue for another thread, but being bi-racial, the issue of forms and applications is actually a sticking point for me. Do I check white and ignore my father's heritage? Or hispanic and ignore my mother's? It is actually difficult to fully connect as either.

 

Three years ago, we had a teacher from Spain come to our school on a two year student visa to teach Spanish. I took her to one of the utility companies to fill out paperwork to get a service turned on. She was told that she had to check one of the ethnicity boxes - but "spanish" wasn't on there. She is not hispanic or latino, she is spanish! There wasn't even a box for "other". I think in the end, she made her own little box and added "spanish".

 

The whole thing might seem like not a big deal to many of you, but what if there were no "white" or "caucasian" box for you to check?

You have the option to tell them to mind their own business. There's even a box on the form for it.

 

On the most recent census form, when asked my heritage, I said other and wrote in "American."

I think socialism is the biggest threat to the long term security of this country. Liberation theology grew from a socialist/Marxist roots. Black liberation theology, as it is espoused by James Hal Cone and Jeremiah Wright combines a racist component with socialist doctrine.

 

I have seen Rev. Wright say nothing that conflicts with the teaching of James Cone and Cone says that Trinity United Church of Christ best reflects the black liberation theology that he founded in the late 60's.

 

I don't really fault people like Cone and Wright for being bitter racists because their opinions were formed when white racism was a huge problem in this country. However, I do fault Obama for his 20-year association with Rev. Wright and I also fault him for not being honest about what he heard in church for those 20 years.

 

What!!??? Liberation theology came out of oppression. Plain and simple. As usual, if some don't want to research and understand what they are talking about then just slip, dip and dodge to something else.

What!!??? Liberation theology came out of oppression. Plain and simple. As usual, if some don't want to research and understand what they are talking about then just slip, dip and dodge to something else.

 

Your comments make me wonder what research you have done. No less an authority than the pope has noted the marxist leanings of some liberation theology followers.

 

http://www.christendom-awake.org/pages/ratzinger/liberationtheol.htm

 

http://mb-soft.com/believe/txn/liberati.htm

 

http://www.landreform.org/boff2.htm

 

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Liberation_theology

You have the option to tell them to mind their own business. There's even a box on the form for it.

 

On the most recent census form, when asked my heritage, I said other and wrote in "American."

 

Trust me, there was no "optional" on the form and there was no other. As I handed the form to the woman at the desk (who had already rolled her eyes and had told her to check "asian"), I told her that I tought that questions requiring an ethnicity were illegal and that if she had any other questions about it, she should call our school's attorney.

What!!??? Liberation theology came out of oppression. Plain and simple. As usual, if some don't want to research and understand what they are talking about then just slip, dip and dodge to something else.

:lol: I agree that some don't seem to want to research and understand what they are talking about...

Your comments make me wonder what research you have done. No less an authority than the pope has noted the marxist leanings of some liberation theology followers.

 

http://www.christendom-awake.org/pages/ratzinger/liberationtheol.htm

 

http://mb-soft.com/believe/txn/liberati.htm

 

http://www.landreform.org/boff2.htm

 

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Liberation_theology

:thumb: Thanks for the informative links. I think that it is a pretty well accepted fact that liberation theology is interwoven with socialist political movements in Latiin America.

 

It is no coincidence that Barack Obama is the most liberal member of the US Senate and that 17 years ago he chose to join a church that follows the black liberation theology teachings of James Hal Cone.

Trust me, there was no "optional" on the form and there was no other. As I handed the form to the woman at the desk (who had already rolled her eyes and had told her to check "asian"), I told her that I tought that questions requiring an ethnicity were illegal and that if she had any other questions about it, she should call our school's attorney.

I trust you, I'm just surprised that you weren't offered the option. The federal government is driving this gender/race identification by employers. I just feel that the more that well-meaning people point out our differences, the more different we'll continue to feel.

I trust you, I'm just surprised that you weren't offered the option. The federal government is driving this gender/race identification by employers. I just feel that the more that well-meaning people point out our differences, the more different we'll continue to feel.

 

Excellent point. The "american" box for me would be just perfect. :thumb:

Your comments make me wonder what research you have done. No less an authority than the pope has noted the marxist leanings of some liberation theology followers.

 

http://www.christendom-awake.org/pages/ratzinger/liberationtheol.htm

 

http://mb-soft.com/believe/txn/liberati.htm

 

http://www.landreform.org/boff2.htm

 

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Liberation_theology

 

 

Probably because the Catholic church in Rome was in a schism with the Catholic church in the fields of Central America. The practicality of some using Liberation Theology for Marxist work is the same as the label that used to be attached to Unions as Bolsheviks.

 

As to the authority of the Pope, I am not Catholic, therefore he does not sit in ex cathedra for me.