March 15, 200818 yr Do you always change the argument when you don't like it? Our discussion (you and me) was about the pigment of Jesus' skin. I merely pointed out that many do make it an issue for white's that Jesus has to be more European looking than darker skinned. My point is that he did nothing more than other Black pastors have done that I have heard for 40 or more years on occasion. If challenged it's the same thing many white pastors would argue if it became an issue for debate in their pulpits. My point has been that the white church advocates their impression of Jesus' skin color by the artwork they employ and have for the longest of time. I just don't find the color of Jesus's skin relevant to the discussion. What is relevant is the context in which Dr. Wright made the statement. If religious scholars want to debate whether Jesus could have been black, Jewish, Arab, etc., then that is certainly a legitimate area for them to explore. The subject is just not one in which I am interested. Anybody who uses a church to spread racial hatred, as the Rev. Wright has done, deserves a heaping dose of condemnation regardless of who sits in the church's pews. Obama's poll numbers are beginning to nosedive and he has only himself to blame.
March 15, 200818 yr OUCH! If Senator Obama has any hope to change his campaign's momentum, then he will need to start vehemently condemning some things before he is forced into doing so. The First Rule of Obama? "If it offends you, I condemn it!" By Mickey Kaus If it offends you I condemn it! "All of the statements that have been the subject of controversy are ones that I vehemently condemn." -- Barack Obama This seems to be the General Rule of Obama--if it's going to damage him, he condemns it! And rejects and denounces. Vehemently! The Rule would seem to apply to all past and future controversial statements--his campaign could get that sentence printed up on little laminated cards and hand them out to reporters, or include them after the statements of all Obama surrogates, like those fine-print 'void where prohibited' waivers. "Condemned if controversial." Is it that easy? Noam Scheiber raise some questions, especially: How plausible it is that Obama wouldn't have known about Wright's, er, greatest hits. Obama strongly implies he didn't know his pastor had a habit of giving nutty sermons up until the outset of his presidential campaign. Is that believable? Obama also engaged in a bit of McCainly overdenial , Scheiber notes. Specifically, did he have to deny that he had "personally heard" Wright utter any of the "controversial" statements? Wouldn't it be smarter to say "I heard him say some wacky things on occasion but dismissed them as his own eccentric political views. Like many Americans, I don't agree with all my pastor's political preachings." Even if Obama doesn't remember hearing any of those particular controversial statements, what if he remembers wrong?
March 15, 200818 yr I would decline to sing "God Bless America"... I can't sing. Further, for those of you that hate the "liberal-biased" media, two things....1) why would he sing, as if he were a puppet on stage, 2) what do you say about media bias now? 1) It was stupid to even ask him 2) Since this was first reported on Hannity and Colmes a year ago and ignored by the "non biased media" since then I believe it seals the deal. Do you REALLY think they would have ignored the story for a year if it was McCain? They have been dragged into this kicking and fighting the whole way. It's just at some point they have to report on it. Probably would never have happened without the SNL skit.
March 17, 200818 yr OUCH! If Senator Obama has any hope to change his campaign's momentum, then he will need to start vehemently condemning some things before he is forced into doing so. The First Rule of Obama? "If it offends you, I condemn it!" By Mickey Kaus If it offends you I condemn it! "All of the statements that have been the subject of controversy are ones that I vehemently condemn." -- Barack Obama This seems to be the General Rule of Obama--if it's going to damage him, he condemns it! And rejects and denounces. Vehemently! The Rule would seem to apply to all past and future controversial statements--his campaign could get that sentence printed up on little laminated cards and hand them out to reporters, or include them after the statements of all Obama surrogates, like those fine-print 'void where prohibited' waivers. "Condemned if controversial." Is it that easy? Noam Scheiber raise some questions, especially: How plausible it is that Obama wouldn't have known about Wright's, er, greatest hits. Obama strongly implies he didn't know his pastor had a habit of giving nutty sermons up until the outset of his presidential campaign. Is that believable? Obama also engaged in a bit of McCainly overdenial , Scheiber notes. Specifically, did he have to deny that he had "personally heard" Wright utter any of the "controversial" statements? Wouldn't it be smarter to say "I heard him say some wacky things on occasion but dismissed them as his own eccentric political views. Like many Americans, I don't agree with all my pastor's political preachings." Even if Obama doesn't remember hearing any of those particular controversial statements, what if he remembers wrong? It appears this story has already dropped out of the news. Is anyone suprised at that? I thought this might have hurt Obama. In the long run, it may actually help him. He is an excellent politician.
March 17, 200818 yr I don't have any reason to suspect he is. I do not know anything about his preacher. I will only say that if it were proved true that the preacher gives any kind of racist or hate filled sermons and Obama didn't distance himself from this man, I would have to suspect that he harbors the same beliefs. My suspicion right now is that the sermons are not near as bad sas some would have us believe. Did you hear them? They are bad. I don't know if Obama is racist or not but his pastor certainly is. I would have to wonder why he would be a member of this church for 20 years and not hold the same beliefs as the clergy. But I guess time will tell.
March 17, 200818 yr It appears this story has already dropped out of the news. Is anyone suprised at that? I thought this might have hurt Obama. In the long run, it may actually help him. He is an excellent politician.The media will try to bury this story, but it will resurface repeatedly because Obama has fallen into the trap of denying that in the 20 years that he has attended Trinity that he ever heard the Rev. Wright utter anything racist or unpatriotic. That denial is implausible and it will be proven false in short order. The Rev. Wright's rants were being sold on Trinity's website until a few months ago, so in a sense they are a part of the "best of" collection. In addition, those in attendance during Rev. Wright's racist diatribes were standing and cheering, not condemning him for his remarks. Whether the media investigates this story to the extent that the issue warrants will not make much difference. Unlike the phony "Obama is a Muslim" chain letters, Obama's decision to remain closely associated with Trinity and its racist minister for 20 years is cause for real concern.
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