I am going to go out on a limb here and say that the facilities of the field behind the elementary school wasn't close to the quality of facilities at the baseball field that was on campus.

 

 

They were actually better than the boys baseball field. Mostly because the football team practices on the boys baseball field.

 

 

 

So, if I understand what has been posted on here, if a baseball team raises money they have to split it with the softball team.

 

Also what would help some of the inequities in the amount of players or teams the girls have is to sanction cheerleading as a sport.

IMO Title IX is a good idea that has gone too far. I know for a FACT that they came into one high school in Boone Co. after all the softball stuff and told the coach he couldn't keep his own personal microwave in his office unless the school provided one for the girls.

They measured the sinks in both locker rooms to make sure they were the same height from the ground.

It has done a lot of good for women's sports, but some of this stuff is rediculous.

From a business viewpoint, I understand and support it.

 

But from an education standpoint, the judicial system has said that girls' and boys' supports have to have the same opportunities. One aspect is that it doesn't matter whether we think it is right or wrong, it is what the courts said to do.

 

But I do think it is right. Because school athletics is not about the bottom line but rather about giving students and opportunity to learn many valuable skills while having a chance to compete for championships. And if those opportunities should not be diminished just because of gender bias in our society. Not at a school.

 

I can tell you in the 80's there were many schools that gave no support to female programs. Girls always practiced the 6 to 8 time. Girls had uniforms for 4-5-8 years while boys were getting new ones every 3 years. The mindset was you want the good stuff, draw better.[/QUOTE]

 

 

Were you at my school in the 70's and 80's? All kidding aside, it was like that when I played basketball in the 70's and it wasn't much better in the 80's when I returned to work at the same school. It only began to change during the late, late 80's and the early 90's which is sad. The girls team, began in 1974 and we had to fundraise for all of our uniforms, while the boys were provided. This definitely is not fair and I am extremely glad that Title IX came about.

 

I also understand where some of you are coming from by looking at the biggest bang for your bucks, but you have to realize that the girls program is as important as the boys and they do need to be treated equal.

 

 

I also understand about the comment on the softball and baseball and how the baseball team fundraises and the softball team doesn't want to. This is an administrators issue and it does need to be addressed and dealt with.

 

There are still people in the school community that says, "I've got to go watch our boys tonight, they need our support" to female basketball players when they never go to a girls game and they don't understand why this makes the girls mad.:sssh:

 

I also understand where some of you are coming from by looking at the biggest bang for your bucks, but you have to realize that the girls program is as important as the boys and they do need to be treated equal.

 

 

 

You hit on an important point here. HS athletics is not professional athletics. It isn't even about championships.

 

It is programs, JUST like a classroom, that is designed to develop certain desirable traits in young people.

 

And the development of those traits are equally important to girls as it is to boys. The opportunities should be equal for girls as it is for boys.

 

I also understand where some of you are coming from by looking at the biggest bang for your bucks, but you have to realize that the girls program is as important as the boys and they do need to be treated equal.

 

It is my opinion that the girls should be treated FAIRLY, but not necessarily equal. For example, a girls locker room shouldn't have urinals, just because they boys locker room does.

It is my opinion that the girls should be treated FAIRLY, but not necessarily equal. For example, a girls locker room shouldn't have urinals, just because they boys locker room does.

 

Very nice.:thumb:

 

They should have equal opportunities to use the facilities though.:lol:

It would be not different than offering better educational opportunities to Boys over Girls, Caucasian over black etc. Title IX serves it's purpose and after all the years of the boys having much better facilities and fields it will take many years of "getting slighted" to make up for it.

 

In our School the girls actually raise more money than the boys in some sports. So it works both ways. Our boys still have some advantages that the girls do not, but it is a lot closer than when I was in High School.

 

The people against this must not have lived through the 70's and 80's for girls sports. We had 2 choices. Cheerleading or Basketball. and bring your own ball.

It is my opinion that the girls should be treated FAIRLY, but not necessarily equal. For example, a girls locker room shouldn't have urinals, just because they boys locker room does.

 

I understand where you are coming from. But administrators and coaches have to use common sense and urinals for girls would be stupid, as so would feminine napkin machines would be stupid for boys. My point was, if the school is going to buy uniforms for one they should buy the equal for the other. I know they are not going to be exactly alike, but they should be equal. I recall the days when the boys spent $250 on a set of uniforms and the girls only got $100 per set. There is nothing fair about that. Now, in my school, the boys and girls actually pick out their travel suits together so they will look the same when traveling together. (They came up with that on their own, because they want to be the same and I think that is awesome). Now, all of our like sports support each other: boys/girls basketball, softball/baseball, etc and try to work together to help all of the athletes. I think that is what it is all about...an equal opportunity for any and all athletes.

I understand where you are coming from. But administrators and coaches have to use common sense and urinals for girls would be stupid, as so would feminine napkin machines would be stupid for boys. My point was, if the school is going to buy uniforms for one they should buy the equal for the other. I know they are not going to be exactly alike, but they should be equal. I recall the days when the boys spent $250 on a set of uniforms and the girls only got $100 per set. There is nothing fair about that. Now, in my school, the boys and girls actually pick out their travel suits together so they will look the same when traveling together. (They came up with that on their own, because they want to be the same and I think that is awesome). Now, all of our like sports support each other: boys/girls basketball, softball/baseball, etc and try to work together to help all of the athletes. I think that is what it is all about...an equal opportunity for any and all athletes.

 

I think we are on the same page. The problem is that those who enforce Title IX are not on the same page. If the girls choose a set of uniforms that are $10 less than the boys, a school can get in trouble for inequality - even though it is quite FAIR.

I'm all for the spirit of Title IX, but the letter of the law is flawed.

I think we are on the same page. The problem is that those who enforce Title IX are not on the same page. If the girls choose a set of uniforms that are $10 less than the boys, a school can get in trouble for inequality - even though it is quite FAIR.

I'm all for the spirit of Title IX, but the letter of the law is flawed.

 

You're right we are, but my school just went through an audit and it is not as strict as $10, believe me I know. We just received our report back and were fine. Our boys did pay more for their shoes, actually $15 per pair, but the girls picked out the ones they wanted and that was okay. I really depends on your AD's and Administration to show the paperwork that everything is on the up and up and equal.

You're right we are, but my school just went through an audit and it is not as strict as $10, believe me I know. We just received our report back and were fine. Our boys did pay more for their shoes, actually $15 per pair, but the girls picked out the ones they wanted and that was okay. I really depends on your AD's and Administration to show the paperwork that everything is on the up and up and equal.

 

One giant loop hole may exist. What is to keep the school districts from forming single sex high schools? They could occupy the same building, but have totally separate adminstration and educators. Then the male schools could spend whatever they could afford on extracuriculars without the red tape and the girls would operate the same way. :banana:

One giant loop hole may exist. What is to keep the school districts from forming single sex high schools? They could occupy the same building, but have totally separate adminstration and educators. Then the male schools could spend whatever they could afford on extracuriculars without the red tape and the girls would operate the same way. :banana:

 

I don't think that is a loophole since it is the same DISTRICT. Wouldn't that fall back to the separate but equal thingy but from a gender perspective?

One giant loop hole may exist. What is to keep the school districts from forming single sex high schools? They could occupy the same building, but have totally separate adminstration and educators. Then the male schools could spend whatever they could afford on extracuriculars without the red tape and the girls would operate the same way. :banana:

 

I don't think that wouldn't help because it's a district Title IX audit...but it's a thought.

I don't think that wouldn't help because it's a district Title IX audit...but it's a thought.

 

My understanding locally is that it is school to school. Each one stands on its own merits.

Is it really that much red tape? We seem to have no problem with this and it is not a big deal for most of the schools that I deal with. If you are doing things fairly and everyone is doing their part of fund raising then this is a non-issue.

 

Does everyone think the girls are getting the better end of the deal?