After watching the debates Wednesday and Thursday and paying attention to body language, I believe Clinton/ Obama like each other a bit more than McCain/Romney do. While Clinton and Obama have had some rather nasty exchanges over the last couple of weeks(all in the name of politics), I believe they actually like each other and have a great deal of respect between them. As for McCain /Romney, I see nothing but disdain. A Clinton/Obama or Obama/Clinton ticket wouldn't be terribly unlikely, but I don't think you will see the Republican pair on the same ticket. I actually think McCain probably gets along better with Hil or Obama than Mit . What does the body language tell you?

Mitt the Mormon....that's a cheap (as well as juvenile) shot, definitely uncalled for, and completely irrelevant to this election (and anything else for that matter).

 

As for body language, from watching the debates, I can agree that Mitt and John don't seem to like each other particularly, but I don't see what you see in Obama/Clinton.

Mitt the Mormon....that's a cheap (as well as juvenile) shot, definitely uncalled for, and completely irrelevant to this election (and anything else for that matter).

 

As for body language, from watching the debates, I can agree that Mitt and John don't seem to like each other particularly, but I don't see what you see in Obama/Clinton.

 

 

 

For many Americans, religion is a big deal in choosing of Presidential candidates. Sadly,many Democrats voted for Nixon over Kennedy solely because of the Catholic issue.Again, like it or not many will not vote for Mit because they liken Mormonism to a cult. In fact, in most Baptist churches I have attended, preachers have railed against cults and included Mormons in that discussion.I don't care for Romney, but the reasons are not grounded in religion.

Mitt the Mormon....that's a cheap (as well as juvenile) shot, definitely uncalled for, and completely irrelevant to this election (and anything else for that matter).

 

As for body language, from watching the debates, I can agree that Mitt and John don't seem to like each other particularly, but I don't see what you see in Obama/Clinton.

 

No shot intended. I have several Mormon friends, all terrific folks, very family-oriented. And that is typically the case.

 

If McCain is Baptist(and I have no idea), I wonder if he would object to John the Baptist?

For many Americans, religion is a big deal in choosing of Presidential candidates. Sadly,many Democrats voted for Nixon over Kennedy solely because of the Catholic issue.Again, like it or not many will not vote for Mit because they liken Mormonism to a cult. In fact, in most Baptist churches I have attended, preachers have railed against cults and included Mormons in that discussion.I don't care for Romney, but the reasons are not grounded in religion.

 

 

I don't often agree with you on much of anything, however I do agree with you on this. There are a number of folks that I know, who happen to be Baptists, who flat out refuse to vote for Romney on account of his Mormonism.

I agree with your assessment of the two Republican candidates. McCain has trouble getting along with many Republicans. He seems to be much more at easy around liberals and Democrats.

 

As for Obama and Clinton, I think both candidates put on a good show last night. Obama's stock is skyrocketing according to the polls. There was no reason for him to attack Hillary last night. Hillary could not afford to attack Obama because of all of the fallout from Bill's race baiting in South Carolina. She needed to appear human and she did.

 

In short, McCain has made a career attacking Republicans and teaming up with Democrats in the Senate and in the media. McCain showed on Wednesday that he plans to continue to ride the horse that got him to the dance.

 

I also agree with you about the anti-Mormon bigotry. Many people would prefer to vote for a candidate who is a phony Baptist or Methodist than to vote for somebody who does not exploit religion for political gain.

I learn so much on here. I have been a Baptist all my life, yet without the BGP P&R forums I would continue to be unaware of what a shallow, hateful person I am. Apparently Baptists don't talk about all the people we hate among ourselves, we wait until we get out amoung others to bring it up.

I also agree with you about the anti-Mormon bigotry. Many people would prefer to vote for a candidate who is a phony Baptist or Methodist than to vote for somebody who does not exploit religion for political gain.

 

How many is many? Thousands? Hundreds? Four? Have you talked to them personally?

I would say it simply means Obama and Clinton are better actors. That is scary in itself.

I learn so much on here. I have been a Baptist all my life, yet without the BGP P&R forums I would continue to be unaware of what a shallow, hateful person I am. Apparently Baptists don't talk about all the people we hate among ourselves, we wait until we get out amoung others to bring it up.

 

 

I didn't mean to single out you all. I should have left their religious affiliation out of it. I only mentioned it on account of themathemagician making mention of where he heard them preached against. My apologies if I offended you. :thumb:

 

If it makes you feel any better I am more fond of the former Baptist minister, Huckabee, than I am Romney.

I learn so much on here. I have been a Baptist all my life, yet without the BGP P&R forums I would continue to be unaware of what a shallow, hateful person I am. Apparently Baptists don't talk about all the people we hate among ourselves, we wait until we get out amoung others to bring it up.

My comments were not aimed at Baptists or any other denomination. My comments were aimed at the people who support people like Bill Clinton who use the Bible as a prop for Sunday photo ops, yet paint people like Huckabee and Romney as theocrats.

 

Many people, liberals in particular, are more comfortable supporting candidates who are apparent hypocrites than they are supporting people who try to lead their lives in accordance with the tenets of their faith. Romney and Huckabee have spent enough time in public office to allay any concerns that either man's faith should disqualify them from the presidency.

I will be honest here on what concerns me about Romney. It is not him.

 

It is his religion. It is not that he might bring his religion into his decision making. Actually I would expect he would if he is as true to his faith as he claims. I don't see how you can separate the two since we are supposed to worship God through our actions 24/7/365.

 

I have spent time on the mormon website reading up on it. I spent time debating with my minister in emails about their faith and the claims of it.

 

So, I don't come to this position lightly and honestly still struggling with it.

 

Here is my concern.

 

We are told over and over and over in Scripture to be wary of false teachings.

 

If Romney becomes President, the mormon faith and some of their claims on it will be cast in a spotlight that it has never been in before. People would read up on it that would never have read on it before. (Exhibit A: I read and looked at it because he is running for President. Imagine how that changes if we see that faith for 4 years.)

 

I wonder if him being President would do to the Mormon faith what Tom Cruise's stardom has done for the church of scientology?

 

That is where I am at and why this Huckabee supporter will not automatically go to the Mormon camp. I might end up there and I have plenty time (being a registered Democrat, I will cast my vote for Obama in May but will not vote that way come November) to process this but right now, this is where I am at and my concerns.

 

 

 

I wonder if it is one of the false teachings that we are warned about.

 

I worry about people that might fall astray because of the exposure that they have had because of Mitt Romney being President.

My comments were not aimed at Baptists or any other denomination. My comments were aimed at the people who support people like Bill Clinton who use the Bible as a prop for Sunday photo ops, yet paint people like Huckabee and Romney as theocrats.

 

Many people, liberals in particular, are more comfortable supporting candidates who are apparent hypocrites than they are supporting people who try to lead their lives in accordance with the tenets of their faith. Romney and Huckabee have spent enough time in public office to allay any concerns that either man's faith should disqualify them from the presidency.

 

OK, now I've got to do a 180 and agree with you. That is how I feel also.

For many Americans, religion is a big deal in choosing of Presidential candidates. Sadly,many Democrats voted for Nixon over Kennedy solely because of the Catholic issue.Again, like it or not many will not vote for Mit because they liken Mormonism to a cult. In fact, in most Baptist churches I have attended, preachers have railed against cults and included Mormons in that discussion.I don't care for Romney, but the reasons are not grounded in religion.

 

No shot intended. I have several Mormon friends, all terrific folks, very family-oriented. And that is typically the case.

 

If McCain is Baptist(and I have no idea), I wonder if he would object to John the Baptist?

Your right, but religion has nothing to do with this thread. And referring to him as Mitt the Mormon justs perpetuates the problems of people voting on religion.

 

If Romney becomes President, the mormon faith and some of their claims on it will be cast in a spotlight that it has never been in before. People would read up on it that would never have read on it before. (Exhibit A: I read and looked at it because he is running for President. Imagine how that changes if we see that faith for 4 years.)

I worry about people that might fall astray because of the exposure that they have had because of Mitt Romney being President.

 

As Acesfull said, with Romney and Huckabee there is no doubt where they stand, no hidden agenda. I don't recall an explosion in Catholism when Kennedy was in office nor a spike in Evangelism when Carter was president. I think both candidates have enough of a public record to evaluate the effects of their religious beliefs. I'm much more comfortable with either of these gentlemen than with the generic religious convictions shown by the others.