I just heard today that the date with congress has been pushed back til Feb. 13th, I believe.

He's guilty as sin, IMO.

I'd say the odds are against him, I just don't see why his name would appear if he was clean. I also thought he looked very nervous during the interview, this is a guy who's been interviewed thousands of times, he just didn't look comfortable.

I do love how everytime they show Roger on ESPN, he is working out like Rocky or something.

He's guilty as sin, IMO.

 

A former New Yorker too...that hurts...:lol:

 

I think the only thing that keeps guys like me on the fence is hope.

^ It just doesn't really make sense though....

 

From 1994 - 1996 (his last three in Boston) we went 29-25 with an ERA close to 4.00 (pre steroid numbers), and only had 9 complete games during that time....he then goes to Toronto and goes 41-13 in two years there, with an ERA of around 2.25...and has 14 complete games......nope, sorry...you don't just find it again, not as a power pitcher, and that age.

Why I don't belive Clemens:

 

1992 9th carrer year with the Red Sox: 246 Innings Pitched

1993 (10th season): 191 Innings

1994 (11): 170 Innings

1995 (12): 140 Innings

 

1996 (13th Season): 242 Innings

1997 (14): 264 Innings

1998 (15): 234 Innings

 

Just very difficult for me to belive that a Picther could start to make such a drop, and then in one year dramatically increase the number of innnigs pitched. I know people make a big deal about his workout regimin, and yes that has a lot to do with his longevity. However, Steroids help you recover faster and better from your workouts, and enable you to have more intensive workouts. Steroids can be used for that by pitchers, instead of to build power as we think Bonds, McGwire, Sosa, have.

^ It just doesn't really make sense though....

 

From 1994 - 1996 (his last three in Boston) we went 29-25 with an ERA close to 4.00 (pre steroid numbers), and only had 9 complete games during that time....he then goes to Toronto and goes 41-13 in two years there, with an ERA of around 2.25...and has 14 complete games......nope, sorry...you don't just find it again, not as a power pitcher, and that age.

At the same time, he added the sinker to be an effective pitch, coupled with his 90±mph FB and slider....makes him a completely different pitcher.

 

My instincts say, yes he did something....what, no idea and perhaps enhancements or just looking for quicker recovery, after a start.

 

I will take the word over a Clemens, MLB great and HOF, one of the best of all-time, over anyone who gets a deal of immunity/reduced sentence, for offering information. How does each, prove their claim.

 

Should be easier for McNamee to provide documentation, he had purchased enhancements, during that time frame. Unless given in a closed door setting, some others within a clubhouse will know and can confirm. Clemens can offer previous tests, where nothing was detected and help validate, his claim. In reality, only these two probably know for certain, which is being honest.

 

I'll go with Clemens and the innocent till proven guilty theory. Question, do the testing agencies/labs, which conduct these tests keep or maintain the sample, so they could go back and be re-tested, to see if any HGH or enhancements exist. Does anyone know....

Not in my opinon.

Not in my opinon.

....Do you mean, the sinker/splitter, not making him a more effective pitcher?

^ It just doesn't really make sense though....

 

From 1994 - 1996 (his last three in Boston) we went 29-25 with an ERA close to 4.00 (pre steroid numbers), and only had 9 complete games during that time....he then goes to Toronto and goes 41-13 in two years there, with an ERA of around 2.25...and has 14 complete games......nope, sorry...you don't just find it again, not as a power pitcher, and that age.

 

Is 3.55 ERA close to 4?

 

94 and 95 he also had the least amount of starts since his second season. Not sure if there was an injury in 95 but one season was cut short due to the strike. He also only threw 170 and 140 innings in 94-95. He threw a LOT more before the 94 season too. I think you're taking too small of a sample. He was dominant from 86-92 then had a strike shortened season, that he pitched well in, and one mediocre season.

 

Anyone remember if he battled injuries in 95?

Is 3.55 ERA close to 4?

 

94 and 95 he also had the least amount of starts since his second season. Not sure if there was an injury in 95 but one season was cut short due to the strike. He also only threw 170 and 140 innings in 94-95. He threw a LOT more before the 94 season too. I think you're taking too small of a sample. He was dominant from 86-92 then had a strike shortened season, that he pitched well in, and one mediocre season.

 

Anyone remember if he battled injuries in 95?

He only had 23 starts and 140± innings, in '95. Strike shortened season.

He only had 23 starts and 140± innings, in '95. Strike shortened season.

 

I thought 94 was the strike shortened season, or were they both shortened?

I thought 94 was the strike shortened season, or were they both shortened?

'94 was but didn't the beginning of the season, get effected also from the '94 work stoppage.

 

I'm probably wrong but thought it affected '95 also. The Red Sox played 144 games in '95 and the season, was delayed due to the '94 strike.

At the same time, he added the sinker to be an effective pitch, coupled with his 90±mph FB and slider....makes him a completely different pitcher.

 

My instincts say, yes he did something....what, no idea and perhaps enhancements or just looking for quicker recovery, after a start.

 

I will take the word over a Clemens, MLB great and HOF, one of the best of all-time, over anyone who gets a deal of immunity/reduced sentence, for offering information. How does each, prove their claim.

 

Should be easier for McNamee to provide documentation, he had purchased enhancements, during that time frame. Unless given in a closed door setting, some others within a clubhouse will know and can confirm. Clemens can offer previous tests, where nothing was detected and help validate, his claim. In reality, only these two probably know for certain, which is being honest.

 

I'll go with Clemens and the innocent till proven guilty theory. Question, do the testing agencies/labs, which conduct these tests keep or maintain the sample, so they could go back and be re-tested, to see if any HGH or enhancements exist. Does anyone know....

 

Even using it to add "in a quicker recovery" was/is wrong. That's exactly what Pettite did (or claimed to have done). He wasn't happy with the way his body was naturally recovering and aided the process by using an improper substance. Whether you call it "performance enhancement" or "recovery enhancement", it's wrong.

 

"Taking the word of an MLB great, future HOF'er, and one of best of all time." Just curious. Did you also feel the same way about Pete Rose and his claims he never bet on baseball? Even great athletes lie. Olympic great Marion Jones will likely get six months to think about her lying.

 

Sure McNamee can probably provide documentation that he purchased steroids around this time period, but that won't prove he injected Clemens. Just like Clemens' negative testing back then proves nothing because HGH couldn't be tested for back then (and actually still can't).