Reading BGP, I find many statements about so and so being a 'good' or 'great' coach...or 'they are well-coached', or 'so and so is a terrible coach'... or whatever.

 

Knowing some of many of these coaches and their programs personally, I always wonder what the basis is for those statements?

 

There are coaches that get "sainted" on here, and I know from direct personal experience that the writer absolutely COULD NOT have played under or had a kid play under said coach....and there are some that get blasted on here, and again I think the exact same thing.

 

So...is it wins/losses, is it cause the guy is friendly to you, is it just what you heard?

 

IMO accurate criticisms or compliments can ONLY come from the consensus of players or maybe from parents of players. The rest must be guessing?

 

I say it has everything to do with things like: getting the absolute most out of your kids' potentials; noticeable improvement as a player and team; trust, fun, pride, respect, knowledge, fairness, communication, honesty, itegrity, growth...

 

These things can and do occur with a 6 and 20 record, no title at all...AND...there are some who go 20 and 6 and win a lot year in and out, but if you polled the kids over several years....you'd hear nothing positive about the attributes listed above.

 

Just curious....

 

I say it has everything to do with things like: getting the absolute most out of your kids' potentials; noticeable improvement as a player and team; trust, fun, pride, respect, knowledge, fairness, communication, honesty, itegrity, growth...

 

 

That sums it up for me. :thumb:

A good coach IMO is one, no matter the W or L record, improves his kids on the floor, but even more off the floor.

 

IMO accurate criticisms or compliments can ONLY come from the consensus of players or maybe from parents of players. The rest must be guessing?

 

I say it has everything to do with things like: getting the absolute most out of your kids' potentials; noticeable improvement as a player and team; trust, fun, pride, respect, knowledge, fairness, communication, honesty, itegrity, growth...

 

As far as the criticism - it's generally just conjecture as you guessed. Some who post are very knowledable, have many connections and know the game(s). Others just comment and are having fun at it, I have gotten off track just trying to make a point, albeit unfounded.

 

I like what you say about what makes a great coach. All are very admirable traits. Beauty is in the eye of the beholder or in this case a great coach is in the eye of the observer. Everyone has a slighly different perspective on these traits at any given point in the season. Without knowing what goes on in the coaches head we may guess right or not have a clue. We know Caracter was suspended for rules infractions although we don't know what he did to get back on track, but quite a few think it was too soon. Does that make Pitino less than a great coach? Don't know, but is sure is fun jawing about it.

 

I say it has everything to do with things like: getting the absolute most out of your kids' potentials; noticeable improvement as a player and team; trust, fun, pride, respect, knowledge, fairness, communication, honesty, itegrity, growth...

 

:thumb: You made some very good points here with this statement and I certainly agree.

A good coach IMO is one, no matter the W or L record, improves his kids on the floor, but even more off the floor.

 

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A good coach to me has been described with these two statements above. Coaching is a tough job and all coaches have my respect. I do not like a some of them bc they do not do the things listed in the 2 post I quoted, I do respect them for coaching though. I would add that a good coach will also have the respect of the community that he is coaching in, I know there are always some that will always have critisizm of a coach. I am talking about overall respect by his players, school, students, teachers, admin and community.

 

As for the W's and L's, yes that is important but handling kids with respect, knowing when to get on them and when to praise them goes into having a sucsessful team as well.

IMO a coach has to know what "buttons" to push and when to push them and when to ease up on them. Being able to handle kids and gain their respect and being able to handle people in general are imo just as important as the X's and O's.

 

As the old saying goes......"It's not about the X's and O's -- It's about the Jimmy's amd Joe's"

A 'good coach' can take his/hers and beat yours....or they can take yours and beat theirs!!

I say it has everything to do with things like: getting the absolute most out of your kids' potentials; noticeable improvement as a player and team; trust, fun, pride, respect, knowledge, fairness, communication, honesty, itegrity, growth...

 

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To me this is what a "Good Coach" is...

 

 

However in our society it seems to be more about the wins!

I heard a "great" coach say "I want those kids to fear me, that way they would kill for me"

 

I heard a "average" coach say "I want those kids to love me, that wy they would die for me"

 

Great being defined by his past record.

Average being defined by concensus since he was a new coach.

 

I don't know which one was right but both ended up having the same amount of success, but the great coach is gone and the average coach is still there.

 

IMO accurate criticisms or compliments can ONLY come from the consensus of players or maybe from parents of players. The rest must be guessing?

 

I say it has everything to do with things like: getting the absolute most out of your kids' potentials; noticeable improvement as a player and team; trust, fun, pride, respect, knowledge, fairness, communication, honesty, itegrity, growth...

 

 

These two paragraphs sum it up completely. Especially the word "consensus".

 

To me "noticeable improvement as a player and team" can be largely in part by the players (and even in spite of a coach). The honesty, communication, and fairness are more vital then one thinks as well.

 

Also, assistant coaches have much more of an effect on a team as well. They can change the way the team operates drastically.

A good coach shows care, compassion and concern for his players. He sees the untapped potential and makes every effort to tap it. He expects 100% and gives 100%. Basketball is an opportunity to help the young men grow into adults by learning the importance of hard work, respect for others and realizing your individual capabilities. Life is a game (like basketball), we all need to know what role we play in it.:fire:

A good coach IMO is one, no matter the W or L record, improves his kids on the floor, but even more off the floor.

 

I agree with your statement.

 

I would want my childs coach to be a man of his word, a person who could get the best out of my child, and who my child could look up to as a role model in their life. Coaches have a huge impact on our children, and like the teachers they are, are seen in the eye's of our children as people bigger than life. Win or lose, if they help to make my child a better overall person on their way to adulthood, than they are a great coach.....and they need to be thanked....