Because we all like the myths that go with our heroes and our greatest moments. It doesn't make those ideals, people or moments bad but it strips away the humanity of them. I prefer knowing the truth about Davy Crockett rather than the Fess Parker version. (I still love Fess Parker though but I know it's much more myth than reality)

 

Exactly, I had much rather think of Doc Holiday as a whiskey guzzling sharp shooting cold blooded killer, than a guy who cried after the O.K. Corral thing. I want Wild Bill Hickock to have gotten the upper hand on John Wesley Hardin. I want Brushy Bill Roberts to be Billy the Kid. And for the record, I did not yield before Zod.

Actually the founding fathers were Christian and ultimaltely came to America to practice their Christian faith freely. That's why they gave everyone else the same privelage of any religion they wanted too, but they said the country should be focused on Jesus, basically. When people stop fpllowing God and go their own seperate ways, bad things happen. It always has throughout history, and it still does. No doubt, it's the main problem with our country today.

The "founding fathers" ( I assume you're referring to Jefferson and his buddies) were Christians, but not of the freedom and democratic understanding that we know today. Puritans and others that settled in New England long before the Declaration of Independence and Constitution, were very quick to suppress all other beliefs that were even slightly different from their own (just ask Ann Hathaway and Roger Williams). It was not unusual to be tortured or put to death for heresay, or other implied infractions that went against their beliefs. Not very democratic thinking, is it? Surely our country wasn't based on their reasoning and justice!

BTW, many of the founding fathers were Deist: Washington, Jefferson, both the Adams, and Ol' Ben Franklin himself.

The "founding fathers" ( I assume you're referring to Jefferson and his buddies) were Christians, but not of the freedom and democratic understanding that we know today. Puritans and others that settled in New England long before the Declaration of Independence and Constitution, were very quick to suppress all other beliefs that were even slightly different from their own (just ask Ann Hathaway and Roger Williams). It was not unusual to be tortured or put to death for heresay, or other implied infractions that went against their beliefs. Not very democratic thinking, is it? Surely our country wasn't based on their reasoning and justice!

BTW, many of the founding fathers were Deist: Washington, Jefferson, both the Adams, and Ol' Ben Franklin himself.

 

I must say this post confused me. When I think of the "founding fathers" I do think of "Jefferson and his buddies", a group in which I would include George Washington, Benjamin Franklin, James Madison, John Adams, Sam Adams, Patrick Henry, Thomas Paine, and Alexander Hamilton (among others). And despite his accomplishments, I would not include Roger Williams who died over 100 years before the US Constitution was ratified as a founding father and I certainly wouldn't include those who persecuted Williams.

 

I am also not certain to whom you are referring when you mention Ann Hathaway since I don't think you mean William Shakespeare's wife. Perhaps you meant Anne Hutchinson who was a contemporary of Williams and who died in 1643, a full century before Jefferson was born.

The "founding fathers" ( I assume you're referring to Jefferson and his buddies) were Christians, but not of the freedom and democratic understanding that we know today. Puritans and others that settled in New England long before the Declaration of Independence and Constitution, were very quick to suppress all other beliefs that were even slightly different from their own (just ask Ann Hathaway and Roger Williams). It was not unusual to be tortured or put to death for heresay, or other implied infractions that went against their beliefs. Not very democratic thinking, is it? Surely our country wasn't based on their reasoning and justice!

BTW, many of the founding fathers were Deist: Washington, Jefferson, both the Adams, and Ol' Ben Franklin himself.

 

I must say this post confused me. When I think of the "founding fathers" I do think of "Jefferson and his buddies", a group in which I would include George Washington, Benjamin Franklin, James Madison, John Adams, Sam Adams, Patrick Henry, Thomas Paine, and Alexander Hamilton (among others). And despite his accomplishments, I would not include Roger Williams as a who died over 100 years before the US Constitution was ratified as a founding father and I certainly wouldn't include those who persecuted Williams.

 

I also am not certain to whom you are referring when you mention Ann Hathaway since I don't think you mean William Shakespeare's wife. Perhaps you meant Anne Hutchinson who was a contemporary of Williams and who died in 1643, a full century before Jefferson was born.

I must say this post confused me. When I think of the "founding fathers" I do think of "Jefferson and his buddies", a group in which I would include George Washington, Benjamin Franklin, James Madison, John Adams, Sam Adams, Patrick Henry, Thomas Paine, and Alexander Hamilton (among others). And despite his accomplishments, I would not include Roger Williams as a who died over 100 years before the US Constitution was ratified as a founding father and I certainly wouldn't include those who persecuted Williams.

 

I also am not certain to whom you are referring when you mention Ann Hathaway since I don't think you mean William Shakespeare's wife. Perhaps you meant Anne Hutchinson who was a contemporary of Williams and who died in 1643, a full century before Jefferson was born.

Correct! After re-reading my post, I'm confused too.

 

I was trying to convey that the original settlers, particularly those who settled New England (not the Founding Fathers of the United States) were persecuted for their beliefs if they varied the least bit from the leaders of the settlements. I confused Founding Fathers for Founders of the first colonies. And I was also was saying that many of the Founding Fathers were Deist.

And I got my Anne's mixed up.:creepy:

I must say this post confused me. When I think of the "founding fathers" I do think of "Jefferson and his buddies", a group in which I would include George Washington, Benjamin Franklin, James Madison, John Adams, Sam Adams, Patrick Henry, Thomas Paine, and Alexander Hamilton (among others). And despite his accomplishments, I would not include Roger Williams as a who died over 100 years before the US Constitution was ratified as a founding father and I certainly wouldn't include those who persecuted Williams.

 

I also am not certain to whom you are referring when you mention Ann Hathaway since I don't think you mean William Shakespeare's wife. Perhaps you meant Anne Hutchinson who was a contemporary of Williams and who died in 1643, a full century before Jefferson was born.

 

 

I thought that was Mr. Drysdale's secretary who had a crush on Jethro. :lol:

I thought that was Mr. Drysdale's secretary who had a crush on Jethro. :lol:

Okay guys, so I made a typo boo-boo and a few historical mistakes because I didn't read the post close enough. Have fun.

I'll go sit in the corner for a while.

Okay guys, so I made a typo boo-boo and a few historical mistakes because I didn't read the post close enough. Have fun.

I'll go sit in the corner for a while.

 

Yeah. That's almost as silly as posting the same thing twice.:irked:

Yeah. That's almost as silly as posting the same thing twice.:irked:

 

nice.

Okay guys, so I made a typo boo-boo and a few historical mistakes because I didn't read the post close enough. Have fun.

I'll go sit in the corner for a while.

 

 

Actually I'm in your corner in the debate but that Hathaway thing was funny. :thumb:

Actually I'm in your corner in the debate but that Hathaway thing was funny. :thumb:

Thanks. :thumb:

I think I protrayed what I wanted to say acccurately, although others thought otherwise.