I heard this weekend that a group of about 50 of the Central Kentucky AD's at public schools are telling their soccer coaches not to schedule non-public schools for the 2008-09 school year. When are they going to learn that this is not going to hurt anyone but themselves. Just silly.

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I heard this weekend that a group of about 50 of the Central Kentucky AD's at public schools are telling their soccer coaches not to schedule non-public schools for the 2008-09 school year. When are they going to learn that this is not going to hurt anyone but themselves. Just silly.

 

How do you arrive at that conclusion?

 

Are you saying there is not any good competition out there UNLESS you schedule a private school?

How do you arrive at that conclusion?

 

Are you saying there is not any good competition out there UNLESS you schedule a private school?

 

While I can't speak for Gunner, I will say that you can make a MUCH better schedule playing publics AND privates than you do only playing publics. Which in turn, prepares your team better for the districts. Also, as a coach isn't that part of your job?

 

Especially if we're talking sports other than football and boys basketball...

 

I'll say again, I couldn't imagine telling my kids, directly or indirectly, that they can't compete with a bunch of kids the same age because they're at a private school...

While I can't speak for Gunner, I will say that you can make a MUCH better schedule playing publics AND privates than you do only playing publics. Which in turn, prepares your team better for the districts. Also, as a coach isn't that part of your job?

 

Especially if we're talking sports other than football and boys basketball...

 

I'll say again, I couldn't imagine telling my kids, directly or indirectly, that they can't compete with a bunch of kids the same age because they're at a private school...

 

That is why the AD's are making the call. Taking that off of the coaches shoulders.

 

I agree that a combination of both would be a good schedule, but it is not necessary.

 

You are not going to fill your schedule with only the top 20 teams in the state. It is going to be a mixture of good teams, rivals, and district/region opponents.

 

For example, let's hypothetically look at girl's basketball for a 10th region school.

 

I could schedule games with Clark, Mason, Montgomery, Bourbon, Paris (arguably the top 5 teams in the region this year). I could schedule 2 games each with district opponents Nicholas, Harrison and Deming for seeding purposes.

 

Add in games with Campbell, Grant and Bracken for old rivalry purposes.

 

That's 14 games.

 

Add in 3 tournaments and we are up to 20-22 games.

 

Go to NKY/Lex to pick up some good, challenging games to complete the schedule.

 

I could choose Notre Dame but can play just as a good quality opponent in Boone County.

 

I could choose Holy Cross but can play just as a good quality opponent in Highlands.

 

I could choose Lex Cath but can play just as good quality opponent in Scott County.

 

I could choose Brossart but can play just as good quality opponent in Simon Kenton.

 

I could choose NCC but can play just as good quality opponent in Conner.

 

I could choose Lex Christian but in the same drive time up AA, I could be at East or West Carter.

 

I am at a full and yet challenging schedule with not nary a private school on the schedule.

And you would have a very nice and competitive schedule. But this boycott is for soccer not basketball. Can you put together the same type of competitive schedule for soccer while eschewing the private schools in your area?

And you would have a very nice and competitive schedule. But this boycott is for soccer not basketball. Can you put together the same type of competitive schedule for soccer while eschewing the private schools in your area?

 

I believe you could.

 

Teams in the region would not be much difference except drop Deming and maybe Paris as I don't believe they have a girls' soccer team.

 

The rest of the teams could be similar except I don't have to go to Lex or East/West Carter as NKY is loaded with good soccer teams. Dixie, Ryle should be good opponents.

 

I could try to pick up the top public school team that we would need to face if we got past regional. I think it is Ashland or someone in that area.

How do you arrive at that conclusion?

 

Are you saying there is not any good competition out there UNLESS you schedule a private school?

 

Here is my take on it. There are many good teams out there non-public and public. If you are eliminating playing a section of those teams, then you are hurting yourself come post season. IMO we try to play an extremely competitive regular season, in order to prepare for the postseason. That includes playing non-public and public schools. It especially should include the teams you are likely to see to see in the post season (as a coach I would like to see how my team matches up with the opponent). Therefore if you are eliminating the non-public teams from that equation, you are hurting yourself.

Here is my take on it. There are many good teams out there non-public and public. If you are eliminating playing a section of those teams, then you are hurting yourself come post season. IMO we try to play an extremely competitive regular season, in order to prepare for the postseason. That includes playing non-public and public schools. It especially should include the teams you are likely to see to see in the post season (as a coach I would like to see how my team matches up with the opponent). Therefore if you are eliminating the non-public teams from that equation, you are hurting yourself.

 

I would agree with you on the bolded and agree that this is the problem with limiting who you play. If you know there is a good chance you are going to play a Brossart in regionals, it would be best to play Brossart in the regular season.

 

Just wanted to make sure that the point was not "you can't play a competitive schedule without having a private school on the schedule."

 

It seems that the 190 schools who voted for Prop 20 are trying to create an unofficial Prop 20 during the regular season. Privates supporters complained at that time that there would be no one for them to play during the regular season and they would not want to play publics in the regular season, basically in spite of the separation.

 

Curious, for the private supporters, we are seeing over and over publics not wanting to schedule privates during the regular season. Would you prefer that your school not schedule publics since that was the view if Prop 20 had come about?

That is why the AD's are making the call. Taking that off of the coaches shoulders.

 

And that's why the AD would be looking for a new coach if that was my school.

I would agree with you on the bolded and agree that this is the problem with limiting who you play. If you know there is a good chance you are going to play a Brossart in regionals, it would be best to play Brossart in the regular season.

 

Just wanted to make sure that the point was not "you can't play a competitive schedule without having a private school on the schedule."

 

It seems that the 190 schools who voted for Prop 20 are trying to create an unofficial Prop 20 during the regular season. Privates supporters complained at that time that there would be no one for them to play during the regular season and they would not want to play publics in the regular season, basically in spite of the separation.

 

Curious, for the private supporters, we are seeing over and over publics not wanting to schedule privates during the regular season. Would you prefer that our school not schedule publics since that was the view if Prop 20 had come about?

 

What it might cause in reverse is some of the coaches saying "I quit". Why should I continue to coach if you are not going to allow me as a coach to use all the tools necessary to be competitive at the highest level. Many of the soccer coaches that I have spoken to are not happy about this at all because they know that it will hurt their program by not being able to play many of the best teams on the non-public side. You are not proving a point by doing this, IMO you are only hurting yourself. I know if my AD came to me and told me that I could not schedule the non-public schools for an issue that has near zero to do with soccer, my AD would be looking for a new coach. Many of the coaches that I have talked to are thinking about that course of action right now.

And that's why the AD would be looking for a new coach if that was my school.

 

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That is why the AD's are making the call. Taking that off of the coaches shoulders.

 

I agree that a combination of both would be a good schedule, but it is not necessary.

 

You are not going to fill your schedule with only the top 20 teams in the state. It is going to be a mixture of good teams, rivals, and district/region opponents.

 

For example, let's hypothetically look at girl's basketball for a 10th region school.

 

I could schedule games with Clark, Mason, Montgomery, Bourbon, Paris (arguably the top 5 teams in the region this year). I could schedule 2 games each with district opponents Nicholas, Harrison and Deming for seeding purposes.

 

Add in games with Campbell, Grant and Bracken for old rivalry purposes.

 

That's 14 games.

 

Add in 3 tournaments and we are up to 20-22 games.

 

Go to NKY/Lex to pick up some good, challenging games to complete the schedule.

 

I could choose Notre Dame but can play just as a good quality opponent in Boone County.

 

I could choose Holy Cross but can play just as a good quality opponent in Highlands.

 

I could choose Lex Cath but can play just as good quality opponent in Scott County.

 

I could choose Brossart but can play just as good quality opponent in Simon Kenton.

 

I could choose NCC but can play just as good quality opponent in Conner.

 

I could choose Lex Christian but in the same drive time up AA, I could be at East or West Carter.

 

I am at a full and yet challenging schedule with not nary a private school on the schedule.

 

Heck, I'm just glad to read that you are including Highlands as a public in this thread:ylsuper:

What it might cause in reverse is some of the coaches saying "I quit". Why should I continue to coach if you are not going to allow me as a coach to use all the tools necessary to be competitive at the highest level. Many of the soccer coaches that I have spoken to are not happy about this at all because they know that it will hurt their program by not being able to play many of the best teams on the non-public side. You are not proving a point by doing this, IMO you are only hurting yourself. I know if my AD came to me and told me that I could not schedule the non-public schools for an issue that has near zero to do with soccer, my AD would be looking for a new coach. Many of the coaches that I have talked to are thinking about that course of action right now.

 

As I said and showed, you can play a very competitive and challenging schedule without playing he best teams on the non-public side.

 

I do know as a former basketball coach, there are things I had to do that had nothing to do with basketball, actually hurt basketball but was the best for the overall athletic program. As AD, THAT is your job. The overall athletic program.

Heck, I'm just glad to read that you are including Highlands as a public in this thread:ylsuper:

 

I thought Sticky would catch that but he didn't. Glad that you did. You must be a little more observant than Mitts.:lol::lol::lol::lol: