I would argue that the VAST majority have their hearts in the right place.

 

I would certainly agree with this.

 

And so would I. But there are a few who give everyone else a bad name. Still noone has addressed why there is a double standard for coaches vs. teachers or others who work with students.

I would argue that the VAST majority have their hearts in the right place.

 

I would certainly agree with this.

 

And so would I. But there are a few who give everyone else a bad name. Still noone has addressed why there is a double standard for coaches vs. teachers or others who work with students.

 

In your quotes from above you definitely did not agree - you lumped most coaches into the "ego trip - jerk, don't care about the kids" category. More than once you generalized the profession.

 

There is a double standard - no denying that. Again, I'm not defending coaches that blast kids and are selfish - ego maniac jerks, but the other coaches who do a good job still have reason to behave differently than teachers in my opinion - here is why:

 

Teachers are under the guidelines of "No Child Left Behind". Teachers are trying to get every kid in their classroom/school to perform at a level where they can be proficient and do well on the dreaded test.

Coaches are in competitive situations where they are to take only the most talented student/athletes and push them to greater heights than the kids would reach on their own. Coaches must make competitive decisions that teachers don't have to make - only 5 kids can play on the basketball court at once. Only 15 kids make the team... etc. Kids are left behind in athletics. There is an intensity that coaches must implement in their players in order to get the most out of them. Sometimes the intensity must be demonstrated - yelling, in-your-face type stuff.

That being said, coaches must figure out what really motivates each individual kid.

It's not the same - teaching and coaching. Similar, but far from a match.

Whether its a kid, adult, or transition period no one should be publicly humiliated and put down in front of their peers. The fact is most coaches are so full of themselves they don't even think about cursing a young man. To most of them it's not about the young men playing its about their ego trip. When coaches tell young men that they are stupid and a bunch of dumb that is not coaching, that is pure arrogance.

 

 

If an adult screws up on the line at Toyota he/she is humiliated in front of his/her peers while the line shuts down for a period of time until the problem is corrected. Performanced based jobs have pressure to perform and there are consequences when the performance is not satisfactory.

Our society has gotten so soft and sensitive that no one is held accountable for their inadequacy any more. Sometimes athletics (and those old mean coaches) are the only real preparation young people have for the "real world".

In your quotes from above you definitely did not agree - you lumped most coaches into the "ego trip - jerk, don't care about the kids" category. More than once you generalized the profession.

 

There is a double standard - no denying that. Again, I'm not defending coaches that blast kids and are selfish - ego maniac jerks, but the other coaches who do a good job still have reason to behave differently than teachers in my opinion - here is why:

 

Teachers are under the guidelines of "No Child Left Behind". Teachers are trying to get every kid in their classroom/school to perform at a level where they can be proficient and do well on the dreaded test.

Coaches are in competitive situations where they are to take only the most talented student/athletes and push them to greater heights than the kids would reach on their own. Coaches must make competitive decisions that teachers don't have to make - only 5 kids can play on the basketball court at once. Only 15 kids make the team... etc. Kids are left behind in athletics. There is an intensity that coaches must implement in their players in order to get the most out of them. Sometimes the intensity must be demonstrated - yelling, in-your-face type stuff.

That being said, coaches must figure out what really motivates each individual kid.

It's not the same - teaching and coaching. Similar, but far from a match.

Not much different in my opinion. "Yelling-in your face" type stuff is uncalled for. Teachers are under a great deal of pressure to perform also. Motivating kids is much more than screaming and yelling. I think the double standard is ridiculous. I guess I might have lumped all coaches together. I have seen those who actually know how to motivate and teach kids. The ones I am referring to have practiced this verbal and mental abuse for years. The program suffers for it. It needs to stop. It mustn't be tolerated.

Not much different in my opinion. "Yelling-in your face" type stuff is uncalled for. Teachers are under a great deal of pressure to perform also. Motivating kids is much more than screaming and yelling. I think the double standard is ridiculous. I guess I might have lumped all coaches together. I have seen those who actually know how to motivate and teach kids. The ones I am referring to have practiced this verbal and mental abuse for years. The program suffers for it. It needs to stop. It mustn't be tolerated.

 

 

I guess I'm a little more old school in my thinking. When I was growing up if I got "yelled at" by a teacher or coach - I would get yelled at and then some at home too. That doesn't happen much any more as these fragile children are too delicate to be held accountable... The Good Book says, "spare the rod, spoil the child..." We've got a bunch of spoiled children in America today.

I guess I'm a little more old school in my thinking. When I was growing up if I got "yelled at" by a teacher or coach - I would get yelled at and then some at home too. That doesn't happen much any more as these fragile children are too delicate to be held accountable... The Good Book says, "spare the rod, spoil the child..." We've got a bunch of spoiled children in America today.

Sorry, but I am from the old school as well, but being yelled at and being verbally abused are two entirely different things. Most of the boys that have been on the receiving end of these tyrades are far from spoiled. Some probably don't even have enough to eat----far from spoiled. Like I said before, I realize that coaches must sometimes raise their voices to make a point but the cursing and berating is humiliating, demeaning and unnecessary. Still, I have not seen explained the reason for the double standard. ANYONE?:confused:

Is verbal abuse and public humiliation of players the best way to coach?

 

To simply answer this question, no...

God forbid that we should hurt our athletes feelings and self-esteem. Heck, just give them an award for showing up!

 

I'm all for coaches that get in your face and ask if your mother dropped you on your head too many times. I'm really for the coach that rips his player a new oriface for not playing his hardest. He should either put out or join the chess team.

 

Maybe if my drill instructor hadn't yelled so much at me, I'd have had time to finish my white flag.

God forbid that we should hurt our athletes feelings and self-esteem. Heck, just give them an award for showing up!

 

I'm all for coaches that get in your face and ask if your mother dropped you on your head too many times. I'm really for the coach that rips his player a new oriface for not playing his hardest. He should either put out or join the chess team.

 

Maybe if my drill instructor hadn't yelled so much at me, I'd have had time to finish my white flag.

 

For the record, I was simiply answering the question asked. If it truly is verbal abuse, than the answer is no. However, it's ok to get in an athlete's grill if necessary.

 

On a side note, your drill instructor and a high school coach are apples and oranges...IMO...

For the record, I was simiply answering the question asked. If it truly is verbal abuse, than the answer is no. However, it's ok to get in an athlete's grill if necessary.

 

On a side note, your drill instructor and a high school coach are apples and oranges...IMO...

For the record, I wasn't addressing you.

 

I'm not sure that I agree about the DI and the high school coach. Also, I didn't see where this thread was directed at just HS coaches.

For the record, I wasn't addressing you.

 

I'm not sure that I agree about the DI and the high school coach. Also, I didn't see where this thread was directed at just HS coaches.

 

Geez, talk about a guilty conscience...

 

I guess, because of the location of the thread, I thought we were talking about high school kids. I thought college would be in a college forum and pro would be in the pro forum...Although logic isn't always a strongpoint for me...

I'm out, I can't take all the yelling...

I'm out, I can't take all the yelling...

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This is a topic, that is sensitive at best. We certainly don't need to berate or offer disparaging comments to each other.

 

It won't be tolerated...Here's a reminder of Rule #2

 

2. No disparaging, taunting, or boastful comments--especially between opponents trying to intimidate each other. This includes name calling or personal attacks toward any member, their username, or school. Also, keeping in mind the youth of our student athletes, excessive "bashing" is prohibited in the high school forums.

God forbid that we should hurt our athletes feelings and self-esteem. Heck, just give them an award for showing up!

 

I'm all for coaches that get in your face and ask if your mother dropped you on your head too many times. I'm really for the coach that rips his player a new oriface for not playing his hardest. He should either put out or join the chess team.

 

Maybe if my drill instructor hadn't yelled so much at me, I'd have had time to finish my white flag.

I understand what you are saying and agree in principle with. I believe that there is a right and a wrong way to do things and/or address each individual situation. There are no clear cut manual type rules. What I was saying is that a kid should NEVER be humiliated/made fun of by a coach in front of his peers. If a kid has butt tearing coming that is one thing, by all means deliver it but do so to where he will want to still play for you and not be ashamed in front of his teammtes, corrected ....yes - ashamed and humiliated...No.

 

I think as another has stated today's society is "softer" than 20 years ago and beyond. Things that were not thought twice about then are considered unacceptable today. A coach has to realize that and adapt. A coach can still "Yell" idf he thinks that it is needed to get his "points" across and do in way that will demand their attention and instill without question who is in charge, what was wrong and what to do and leave no doubts about it without resorting to verbal bashing/vulgar language.