A BIG high-five to the school for setting an example. By the way, whatever happened to the golden rule? Treat others as you would like to be treated?

Remember all that stuff about sticks and stones may break my bones, but words will never hurt me stuff? Well, we have figured out that words really do hurt. The bruise eventually goes away, but the words are out there forever. Think of it, in baseball terms, that taking the ground ball off the chest (the bruise) eliminates the error (the words) that is in the books forever. I agree with TIGERFAN to the extent to "what's the difference" between cutting someone down with wit or with curse words. IMO there is no difference, and they both are poor motivational tools. The coach can make a difference in a kids life and degrading him or her is one way to do it, the wrong way. To answer TIGERFAN's question, the difference is that the more feable mind needs curse words to make a point. I have seen many parents pull kids from teams that has a coach that verbally degrades the kids. I can sum it up like this. I was in the Marines, went through Officer Candidate School, and Lt. school after that, and more training after that. I can honestly say that I hear way more cursing in everyday conversation (including sporting events) than in any USMC training program, and I was one motivated Marine during that training and fully understood what I was trained to do. So someone explain to me why we have to use curse words and other verbal bashing directed at the kids while playing baseball????

Idk I cannot help but think that many are over analyzing the situation. They arent exactly kids they are teenagers. Cussing unfortunately is part of everyday life for teenagers now a days. Look at all of the major influences on teens and you will see cussing. It's one thing for a person to cuss while trying to motivate a team. Its another if the coach told one of the players he was a piece of --- or that he was a ----- or some other sort. Its quite the other if he said Lets beat the --- out of these guys. Hit that --- up the middle. Etc etc.

Idk I cannot help but think that many are over analyzing the situation. They arent exactly kids they are teenagers. Cussing unfortunately is part of everyday life for teenagers now a days. Look at all of the major influences on teens and you will see cussing. It's one thing for a person to cuss while trying to motivate a team. Its another if the coach told one of the players he was a piece of --- or that he was a ----- or some other sort. Its quite the other if he said Lets beat the --- out of these guys. Hit that --- up the middle. Etc etc.

So is drinking, drugs and other activities that I am sure you wouldn't condone their use of.

So is drinking, drugs and other activities that I am sure you wouldn't condone their use of.

Surely you're not trying to connect, illegal activities like alcohol and drugs, with cursing....that is a considerable stretch.

 

I'm not perfect, never attempted to walk on water and during coaching, I get focused into the game. I comment to players both constructively and negatively, during situations. Some are self-motivated, while others needs assistance. Some can handle compliments but can't, criticism.

 

I've never cussed a player but certainly have, used words when talking to players and the team. It's not my goal or intent and I don't commonly speak those words but nonetheless, they are spoken by me....

 

I'm extremely plain spoken, as anyone who knows me can verify and I'm that way, with my players. I've also said, they do not have to like me, but respect the position, by my actions, teachings, instruction and preparation for the game.

Surely you're not trying to connect, illegal activities like alcohol and drugs, with cursing....that is a considerable stretch.

 

I'm not perfect, never attempted to walk on water and during coaching, I get focused into the game. I comment to players both constructively and negatively, during situations. Some are self-motivated, while others needs assistance. Some can handle compliments but can't, criticism.

 

I've never cussed a player but certainly have, used words when talking to players and the team. It's not my goal or intent and I don't commonly speak those words but nonetheless, they are spoken by me....

 

I'm extremely plain spoken, as anyone who knows me can verify and I'm that way, with my players. I've also said, they do not have to like me, but respect the position, by my actions, teachings, instruction and preparation for the game.

Absolutely not.

 

But the argument that they are around it so it is no big deal doesn't hold water with me.

Absolutely not.

 

But the argument that they are around it so it is no big deal doesn't hold water with me.

I'm not using that argument but reality says, kids and teens today, here similar or worse at school, TV, music and on personal computer pages....no one would argue.

I'm not using that argument but reality says, kids and teens today, here similar or worse at school, TV, music and on personal computer pages....no one would argue.

It is well documented in other threads on my feelings about them hearing those things so I will not go into that.

 

Just because they hear it doesn't mean it is the right thing to do.

 

Let me ask it this way, as a teacher should I use such language in the classroom? I have player A as a student. Are you saying it would be wrong for me to say the exact same thing in the classroom to motivate him that I would say on the field. Something like, "That is a (BEEP) effort on that (play/assignment)."

What about an umpire using foul language? This happened during the Boone/Campbell County game last night. It was loud and very much in hearing distance of, at least Boone's fans and players. I'm not sure if Campbell County's fans heard it or not. It was totally disrespectful and out of line IMO.

It is well documented in other threads on my feelings about them hearing those things so I will not go into that.

 

Just because they hear it doesn't mean it is the right thing to do.

 

Let me ask it this way, as a teacher should I use such language in the classroom? I have player A as a student. Are you saying it would be wrong for me to say the exact same thing in the classroom to motivate him that I would say on the field. Something like, "That is a (BEEP) effort on that (play/assignment)."

You keep wanting to equate Baseball, to other instances....Classroom is for educational reasons, while a High School Baseball "game" and or practice, is a competition to have a winner.

 

I don't think students, in a classroom setting walk out the door, after the bell rings and feel like, they had a bad day of learning.

You keep wanting to equate Baseball, to other instances....Classroom is for educational reasons, while a High School Baseball "game" and or practice, is a competition to have a winner.

 

I don't think students, in a classroom setting walk out the door, after the bell rings and feel like, they had a bad day of learning.

And yet, I hear coach after coach after coach talk about they are just a teacher of the game. While the setting is different the goals are the same. To help young people mature and move farther down their life improving the quality of their character each step along the way.

And yet, I hear coach after coach after coach talk about they are just a teacher of the game. While the setting is different the goals are the same. To help young people mature and move farther down their life improving the quality of their character each step along the way.

I say it, even have in under my avatar....Teaching the game, is not equating to educational teaching.

 

A High School athletic team is prepared, to compete to Win and not to Lose. Students are educated, to retain knowledge, develop understandings and increase intelligence....not to Win a contest.

 

Teaching, derives many definitions....One can be taught to crochet, play the piano, be a mechanic, paint a house, speak languages, but they don't involve competition to Win.

I say it, even have in under my avatar....Teaching the game, is not equating to educational teaching.

 

A High School athletic team is prepared, to compete to Win and not to Lose. Students are educated, to retain knowledge, develop understandings and increase intelligence....not to Win a contest.

 

Teaching, derives many definitions....One can be taught to crochet, play the piano, be a mechanic, paint a house, speak languages, but they don't involve competition to Win.

In some veins I agree with you, but in today's HS world, I disagree. Competition is used a lot to increase a student's knowledge. In vocational classrooms the clubs of DECA, FBLA, FFA, FHA, and TSA are consider co-curricular and essential to truly learn the subject being taught. I had an entrepreneurship class and in class we learned the steps to start a business and develop a prospectus. From that class, the students would take the prospectus and present in to a judge that was playing the role of a banker or venture capitalists. They would compete against other students.

 

You have academic teams that have a foundation in what they students are learning. You have band competitions that are based in what they are doing during band classroom time. Same thing with chorus. Same thing with drama.

 

You have problem solving teams.

 

You have students competing against other students for scholarship money, awards, and other academic niceties.

 

You have schools competing with test scores in which they don't reach their goal and a team of KDE distinguished educators come in and take over the school. Student doesn't give an effort on the CATS testing and it is a HUGE THING to the school.

 

Effort translate to at least a 1 out of 4 score while no effort is a zero. And zeroes hurt your CATS scores MUCH MORE than the 1 point difference.

 

No competition is big in schools and my students NOT GIVING AN EFFORT could mean my job as a teacher. And that salary to lose is a little greater than my salary as a coach.

Like I said, you're wanting to equate things, not similar. In Baseball, teams play on Monday, Tuesday, Thursday, Friday and some Saturdays. Which means, Wednesday is used for practice to "win" on Thurs./Fri.

 

The examples you listed, are long term or over a period of time and not nightly....You approach it one way and others, a different way. I'm not condemning anyone, who has a passion for helping student-athletes.

 

A direct expletive, to a players should never occur, under any circumstances. I'm just glad, some can't read my mind....

Like I said, you're wanting to equate things, not similar. In Baseball, teams play on Monday, Tuesday, Thursday, Friday and some Saturdays. Which means, Wednesday is used for practice to "win" on Thurs./Fri.

 

The examples you listed, are long term or over a period of time and not nightly....You approach it one way and others, a different way. I'm not condemning anyone, who has a passion for helping student-athletes.

 

A direct expletive, to a players should never occur, under any circumstances. I'm just glad, some can't read my mind....

Mine, too.