I know you guys think the quote is cute, but I find it pretty insulting to insinuate that because I'm young and have a different world view, I must be stupid or overly influenced by 'liberal professors.'

 

If I were to make a similar remark about a person's cognitive abilities going down-hill after 30, and that's why you end up with senile Republicans, I'm pretty sure there'd be some annoyed posters.

My view on abortion is DRIVEN by my heart breaking because of killing little babies.

 

I would counter that the intellectual arguments of liberals, like on the abortion issue, is not having heart. It is more important to them that a person have freedom to their own body even thought THEIR own choices has put them into that position than the life of the baby.

 

I would counter that the heart position on that debate is clearly with the conservatives.

I agree!:thumb:

I know you guys think the quote is cute, but I find it pretty insulting to insinuate that because I'm young and have a different world view, I must be stupid or overly influenced by 'liberal professors.'

 

If I were to make a similar remark about a person's cognitive abilities going down-hill after 30, and that's why you end up with senile Republicans, I'm pretty sure there'd be some annoyed posters.

 

I have never heard Winston Churchill's philosophy described as "cute". I suppose that only a fledgling student would make such a statement.

 

Part of what Sir Winston was saying, quite correctly I will add, was that one needed to learn from real life experiences rather than from textbooks written by those who have never been a part of the real world. In other words, one must have had the opportunity to function in the real world rather than in the unrealistic world of the textbook with its never ending theories. The danger of college professors, quite often, is that most of the highly influential ones have never done anything in life other than gone to school and taught in the confining halls of academia.

 

They "play" life on paper. Real life is not played on paper. Also, did you ever wonder why most wierd and/or oddball movements usually start on some college campus? It isn't by coincidence.

 

Now, before you come back stating that I know nothing of which I speak, let me say that I have been, among other disciplines, a college professor for a goodly number of years.

I have never heard Winston Churchill's philosophy described as "cute". I suppose that only a fledgling student would make such a statement.

This is exactly the sort of condescending tone that I was referring to.

 

Not only does it assume that I am 'fledgling' (definition: "newcomer; any new participant in some activity") WHICH I AM NOT, it dismisses my views based entirely on assumptions relating to my age. This is the very reason that I didn't list my age when I joined BGP, because of biased opinions such as yours.

 

Part of what Sir Winston was saying, quite correctly I will add, was that one needed to learn from real life experiences rather than from textbooks written by those who have never been a part of the real world. In other words, one must have had the opportunity to function in the real world rather than in the unrealistic world of the textbook with its never ending theories. The danger of college professors, quite often, is that most of the highly influential ones have never done anything in life other than gone to school and taught in the confining halls of academia.

How convienient for me that I have learned from real world experiences. By the age of 8, I was more politically involved than the vast majority of adults in America. In 1991, I watched every debate, I watched the interviews on the Sunday Morning talk circuit, I attended rallies, I wrote candidates. I knew the candidates and their positions.

 

I have worked campaigns, been part of social intervention initiatives, worked through my church and school and Boy Scouts and other outlets ad infinitum to help people and learn about our society. I've listened in one-on-one conversations to people tell their stories of surviving the Holocaust, marching for Civil Rights, and fleeing war and distruction in Africa. I've been the primary caretaker for 2 people close to me that have died.

 

But to you, I'm just a child that has to 'grow up' before my brain can 'take over' and form the correct opinions (those that match yours, of course.)

They "play" life on paper. Real life is not played on paper. Also, did you ever wonder why most wierd and/or oddball movements usually start on some college campus? It isn't by coincidence.

 

Now, before you come back stating that I know nothing of which I speak, let me say that I have been, among other disciplines, a college professor for a goodly number of years.

Congratulations.

 

We're back to the 'Led Astray by Ivory Tower Liberals' theory, when I've already explained that:

 

1) Most of my political science professors have been conservatives.

 

2) I had already begun to form my political identity decades before I set foot on a college campus.

 

 

 

There's nothing you can say that's going to show that I'm just a foolish little child too new to the world to understand it. Because it's not true. You've made this untrue assumption based solely and completely upon my age. It's stereotyping, and it's insulting.

None of what you are describing is any worse then the very condescending attitude among liberals that if one is conservative he/she doesn't have the good sense to see how wrong he/she is.

None of what you are describing is any worse then the very condescending attitude among liberals that if one is conservative he/she doesn't have the good sense to see how wrong he/she is.

And liberals have a monopoly on that? That's true of any dogmatically oriented person.

 

I think that dismissing my world view out of hand due to my age is entirely different, especially since I'm old enough to be a full member of the political community.

If anybody is interested in seeing where the Big III differ in opinion....this would be the discussion :lol:

What scares you more far right or far left?

Far left...

That said, as I get older I find myself more liberal, not less.

:scared: Say it ain't so.....

 

 

I will say this...I find that some liberals start to conservatise (not a real word), as their families grow.

This is exactly the sort of condescending tone that I was referring to.

 

By the age of 8, I was more politically involved than the vast majority of adults in America.

What did you say about condescending?

 

This is the very reason that I didn't list my age when I joined BGP, because of biased opinions such as yours.[/size]

Also, you accuse scooterbob of being biased, but even though you were raised in a liberal household (as you said) and are in an environment (college) that is for the most part universally known as liberal (figures don't lie), you manage to remain unbiased?

 

Liberals and Conservatives are all the same. Their "fundamental differences" are forumulated on where the votes are.

But she was far enough along to show?

 

The miscarriages I'm talking about are so early that half the time no one ever even knows they occur. Women think they're spotting, or it's just a heavy period.

That said....it would then be extremely difficult to give a number like 40% of all pregnancies, being that some of these so called miscarriages occurred with no one knowing about it at all. Wouldn't you agree?

What did you say about condescending?

 

 

Also, you accuse scooterbob of being biased, but even though you were raised in a liberal household (as you said) and are in an environment (college) that is for the most part universally known as liberal (figures don't lie), you manage to remain unbiased?

 

Liberals and Conservatives are all the same. Their "fundamental differences" are forumulated on where the votes are.

I can somewhat agree with this...in that most liberal arts schools are and turn out just what their namesake says about them...while the business schools and such, do the latter...and I was an English major...go figure.

My biggest question is what does someones opinion on abortion have to do with the ability to run a country? Shouldn't we be more focuses on their foreign policy and money management. At the moment we know the president is anti-abortion and the American dollar is weakening in the global economy. It's just my personal opinion, but judging your decision on who to vote for based on their stance on abortion is like buying a house based on a realtor's religious views.

The far right brings religion to the table, and religion is the most dangerous force on the planet. I'm not trying to say that religion is bad, or religious people are bad people, but the fact of the matter is that it's cause the most deaths in the history of man. So the far right scares me the most.

 

That's not to say that the far left isn't frightening -- it is. But not so much as the far right to me.

Religion has caused very few deaths in this country in quite sometime....with that freebies, and handouts, and the basic premise of giving to the needy instead of showing the needy how to provide for themselves....probably kills millions.

What did you say about condescending?

That's not condescending, that's a fact. We live in a country where 50% of registered voters can barely get whipped up enough to vote in presidential elections. My political involvement at that age far surpassed the majority of adults.

Also, you accuse scooterbob of being biased, but even though you were raised in a liberal household (as you said) and are in an environment (college) that is for the most part universally known as liberal (figures don't lie), you manage to remain unbiased?

 

Liberals and Conservatives are all the same. Their "fundamental differences" are forumulated on where the votes are.

I wasn't raised in a liberal household. My mother is a liberal, my father is a veteran with a Bush/Cheney sticker on his pickup.

 

My college enviornment is not liberal. While you might assume that it is, if you knew the PoliSci professors I have had at U of L, you wouldn't say that.