So do you feel that 99% of the rappers out there should be fired? They all say those same remarks in almost their songs, and they do it on the "public" air waves as well.

 

Fired by whom? Most of them own their recording labels these days - Ever hear of DefJam?

 

That is the whole point. You can condemn what they say all you want, but until the public quits buying their albums there is nothing anybody can do.

So one's actions gives no indications of their "ideas or notions"?

 

I humbly disagree. In fact I would go so far as to say that someone who holds that Sharpton and Jackson aren't racists espousing a belief that has no real basis in fact based on solely the two "gentlemen's actions in the past.

 

 

Please let me know when the owner of a store follows you around b/c they are afraid you are going to steal something, or the police pull you over b/c you are white and driving in a ritsy part of town or you are denied a job b/c you are white or when the something the Good Reverands do has a significant impact on you - then we will talk about them practicing racism.

Fired by whom? Most of them own their recording labels these days - Ever hear of DefJam?

 

That is the whole point. You can condemn what they say all you want, but until the public quits buying their albums there is nothing anybody can do.

Then there should be NO complaint if someone else repeats their message. It can't be both ways, or at least it shouldn't.

Then there should be NO complaint if someone else repeats their message. It can't be both ways, or at least it shouldn't.

 

Sure there can. I exert influence and try to make changes where I can. Research the Jesse and Al and see if they have made statements about the negative images in hip hop music. They have, but they can't convince the public to stop buying the albums so what do the do?

 

Not only that, it is not simply using the words - Imus attacked a very specific group of young ladies that had names. They could say - "he is talking about me" Whereas when Snoop talks about Hos there is not a "person" who can say "he is talking about me" unless they want to admit that they are a one.

 

It would be one thing for me to call people from Appalachia hillbillies (I am from Appalachia btw) but it would be something completely different if I called out members of a high school basketball team from one of the schools in Eastern Kentucky or Western Viginia and said - those particular boys are ignorant, in-bred, hillibillies. I would do neither, having much love for the area but surely you can see the difference in the two statements.

 

If you are really outraged, why are you not starting a campaign against it? All it takes is one voice and others will soon join the chorus.

Sure there can. I exert influence and try to make changes where I can. Research the Jesse and Al and see if they have made statements about the negative images in hip hop music. They have, but they can't convince the public to stop buying the albums so what do the do?

 

Not only that, it is not simply using the words - Imus attacked a very specific group of young ladies that had names. They could say - "he is talking about me" Whereas when Snoop talks about Hos there is not a "person" who can say "he is talking about me" unless they want to admit that they are a one.

 

It would be one thing for me to call people from Appalachia hillbillies (I am from Appalachia btw) but it would be something completely different if I called out members of a high school basketball team from one of the schools in Eastern Kentucky or Western Viginia and said - those particular boys are ignorant, in-bred, hillibillies. I would do neither, having much love for the area but surely you can see the difference in the two statements.

 

If you are really outraged, why are you not starting a campaign against it? All it takes is one voice and others will soon join the chorus.

 

So talking about a select few individuals is worse than generalizing an entire race/group? I would think it would be the other way around.

Please let me know when the owner of a store follows you around b/c they are afraid you are going to steal something, or the police pull you over b/c you are white and driving in a ritsy part of town or you are denied a job b/c you are white or when the something the Good Reverands do has a significant impact on you - then we will talk about them practicing racism.

Way to try to difuse my point with something that has ABSOLUTELY NOTHING to do with this discussion. Unfortunately those things happen BUT to use them as an excuse for the behavior blacks who are racist is just like Ernie Fletcher saying his violations of merit laws was justified because Democrats also do it.

 

Do you realy believe that the actions of Jackson and Sharpton (your referring to them as Good Reverands is laughable because they are neither good or reverent) had no impact on the lives of the Duke Lacrosse players that they tried , convicted and condemned even though evidence has clearly shown that they were railroaded?

 

Do you really believe that the policemen that were accused by Sharpton in the Tawana Brawley fabrication didn't have their lives negatively impacted?

 

What would happen if a white person made a racially charged remark about a city the size of New York as Jackson did?

 

I reiterate that BY THEIR ACTIONS both Jackson and Sharpton have shown that they are racists and they are given a virtual free pass by the media because of the color of their skin. Past crimes against blacks do not excuse their actions.

Sure there can. I exert influence and try to make changes where I can. Research the Jesse and Al and see if they have made statements about the negative images in hip hop music. They have, but they can't convince the public to stop buying the albums so what do the do?

I agree that they have given window dressing go it but they have never made the kind of noise against it as they do when they feel that a white person has committed a crime against a black person.

 

Not only that, it is not simply using the words - Imus attacked a very specific group of young ladies that had names. They could say - "he is talking about me" Whereas when Snoop talks about Hos there is not a "person" who can say "he is talking about me" unless they want to admit that they are a one.

 

It would be one thing for me to call people from Appalachia hillbillies (I am from Appalachia btw) but it would be something completely different if I called out members of a high school basketball team from one of the schools in Eastern Kentucky or Western Viginia and said - those particular boys are ignorant, in-bred, hillibillies. I would do neither, having much love for the area but surely you can see the difference in the two statements.

So it is OK for someone to make a disparaging remark about a entire group of people as long as a small group isn't singled out. You would have no problem then if a singer from Eastern Kentucky started a new trend in music and described people from there as toothless inbreds would you? You would be able to justify it because he would be making a generalization and unless a person can say "he's talking about me" and admit they are one it is OK.

 

If you are really outraged, why are you not starting a campaign against it? All it takes is one voice and others will soon join the chorus.

I have a very strong feeling that if a white person did start a campaign against this type of language in rap music that people like Sharpton and Jackson would rally against that person and accuse them of racism, and they would be given a forum to do so by the media.

This has to be the most random thread that i have ever read on here. It sounds like it was a totally random act that happens, unfourtunatly, all too much in this country today. If it would have black on black, white on white, or even white on black, the majority of us would have never heard of it most probably.

 

I personally think that this country is experiencing a sort of civil rights "backlash". Thats just my opinion though

 

I dont understand the crusade against Rap music either. Just like all forms of music there are different types of rap songs. For the most part, the ones who complain about it are people who dont listen to it. I dont listen to country, now how correct would i be if i said that all country music was about my dog died, my women left, my truck broke down.

 

I would be wrong, thats my perception of country music though. I dont listen to it much, so i havent been able to experience the full spectrum of it.

Most of the rap music with the language everyone complains so much about are the songs that college kids dance to on the weekends. If you really listen to rap music you know that there are a countless number of songs that send out positive messages. I dont know, this whole thing about rap music the past few years has really been bugging me alot. This is off topic, but if you go after rap music, you need to go after pop culture in general not just rap.

Sure there can. I exert influence and try to make changes where I can. Research the Jesse and Al and see if they have made statements about the negative images in hip hop music. They have, but they can't convince the public to stop buying the albums so what do the do?

:lol: Do you think those two were serious about hip hop artists making changes. Not a chance, there's no one white to exploit without effecting the artists too. They won't touch that one with a ten foot pole.

 

Not only that, it is not simply using the words - Imus attacked a very specific group of young ladies that had names. They could say - "he is talking about me" Whereas when Snoop talks about Hos there is not a "person" who can say "he is talking about me" unless they want to admit that they are a one.

I'm sorry, that's a cop out in my book.

 

It would be one thing for me to call people from Appalachia hillbillies (I am from Appalachia btw) but it would be something completely different if I called out members of a high school basketball team from one of the schools in Eastern Kentucky or Western Viginia and said - those particular boys are ignorant, in-bred, hillibillies. I would do neither, having much love for the area but surely you can see the difference in the two statements.

Well, you just added ignorant and in-bred to the other group, so apples to oranges.

 

If you are really outraged, why are you not starting a campaign against it? All it takes is one voice and others will soon join the chorus.

Yep, that's all there is to it, just that easy. :creepy:

I'd be labeled a racist in a New York minute.