That was my position, in post #2, if the Umpire actually made a call of safe/out, after the over slide.

 

If not call of out was made, then would the Umpire physically change his call to out, if on appeal the batter was ruled to have "attempted" and been strike 2....thoughts?

 

I would argue this, if happened and hope I never have to....

 

Maybe I'm being dense but I don't get what you would be arguing. The ball/strike call is irrelevant since the runner overslid th base and was subsequently tagged out.

Maybe I'm being dense but I don't get what you would be arguing. The ball/strike call is irrelevant since the runner over slid th base and was subsequently tagged out.

Not arguing at all....Just indicated, if no call was made by Umpire, once player over slid the base, then an appeal was made to him, with regard to an attempted swing....What would the call be, if batter attempted and Umpire, didn't make a call at 2nd base, even though the runner over slid the base and was tagged.

 

By the way, you're not dense.

Not arguing at all....Just indicated, if no call was made by Umpire, once player over slid the base, then an appeal was made to him, with regard to an attempted swing....What would the call be, if batter attempted and Umpire, didn't make a call at 2nd base, even though the runner over slid the base and was tagged.

 

By the way, you're not dense.

 

You know the interesting thing about this thread that i just realized...

 

If there is a runner on 1st base, the umpire (in a two man crew) is positioned in the middle of the infield. Therefore, making it very hard for them to appeal the swing in the first place. In the second place, if the runner is stealing, that umpire in the middle of the field is not "focused" on the pitch, he is getting in position anticipating a throw from the catcher. In this situation, the umpire in the middle of the field would in most cases not overrule the plate umpire. who had a better view of the play (unless he was blocked out). If I am the middle infield umpire, I would never overrule my partner in that situation. So, BALL would be called. If my partner was blocked out, I would still be hard pressed to call it a strike given my responsibility was to be in position for the throw to second.

You know the interesting thing about this thread that i just realized...

 

If there is a runner on 1st base, the umpire (in a two man crew) is positioned in the middle of the infield. Therefore, making it very hard for them to appeal the swing in the first place. In the second place, if the runner is stealing, that umpire in the middle of the field is not "focused" on the pitch, he is getting in position anticipating a throw from the catcher. In this situation, the umpire in the middle of the field would in most cases not overrule the plate umpire. who had a better view of the play (unless he was blocked out). If I am the middle infield umpire, I would never overrule my partner in that situation. So, BALL would be called. If my partner was blocked out, I would still be hard pressed to call it a strike given my responsibility was to be in position for the throw to second.

I agree 100%....which was part of my question, as to whether or not, the Umpire actually made a call on the over slide. He is also listening, to the ball/strike call, from homeplate and if "no" strike call is made, I don't think he would give a safe/out call at 2nd and thus, the reason for my initial post. On appeal, I agree....no Umpire, would overrule his partner, in that situation.

 

I've had this conversation, several times regarding check swings...with Umpire positioned behind 2nd and one asked me...."who has the better view, of a check swing"....I said "I did and he went"....he laughed out loud.

 

:lol:

If there were two outs, does the appeal have any impact? Is it necessary?

If there were two outs, does the appeal have any impact? Is it necessary?

If "ball four" and the Umpire, made an out call on the runner, advancing to 2nd and then, upon appeal the field Umpire, declared no attempt, then "yes", 3rd out would be on over slide.

 

I can say this, with relative honesty, I hope never to see this situation but excellent questions, I might add.

If "ball four" and the Umpire, made an out call on the runner, advancing to 2nd and then, upon appeal the field Umpire, declared no attempt, then "yes", 3rd out would be on over slide.

 

I can say this, with relative honesty, I hope never to see this situation but excellent questions, I might add.

 

I had a similar situation with a batter having an 0-2 count in a college level game.

 

The pitch came in (wicked curve ball outside) and was in the dirt. The batter checked his swing (I felt) and in the meantime, the ball got past the catcher. Since no-body was on base, the on-deck batter went to retrieve the wild pitch that went all the way to the backstop (40 feet back at Thomas More) and I hurled a new ball to the pitcher. Right as I threw the ball to the pitcher, the catcher pointed to the first base umpire. My umpiring partner at first (without me asking) called a strike on the batter.

 

At this point, all heck broke loose. :banana: :banana: :banana:

 

The batter took off running to first (dropped third strike). The pitcher caught the ball I threw him and threw it to first, and the on-deck batter who was retrieving the past ball, had the catcher run back and was just about wrestling him for the ball.

 

:confused: :confused:

 

The bad thing about this was there was no-easy way to get out of this one. Do you call the batter safe at first?? Do you call the batter out?? Caused quite an argument. :argue:

 

I wish there were Mulligan's in baseball... because me and my partner really booted this one.

 

As a result, I am much slower to grab another ball out of the ball bag and hurl it back to the pitcher in the event of a check swing.

If there were two outs, does the appeal have any impact? Is it necessary?

 

The appeal is actually has an effect on the entire play. With TWO outs less than two strikes, the the catcher would appeal and umpire says itwas a swing, then the inning would end with the runner being called out and the batter still due up the next inning. However, if ruled a ball, the the batter is awarded first base and the runner going to second is called out, a new batter would be up to start the inning.

 

Therefore, the appeal would determine who would be up to bat to start the next inning.

The appeal is actually has an effect on the entire play. With TWO outs less than two strikes, the the catcher would appeal and umpire says itwas a swing, then the inning would end with the runner being called out and the batter still due up the next inning. However, if ruled a ball, the the batter is awarded first base and the runner going to second is called out, a new batter would be up to start the inning.

 

Therefore, the appeal would determine who would be up to bat to start the next inning.

 

 

Nice job, UKB. Lots of things going on when you're an ump.

Runner out, regardless of whether the pitch was a ball or strike. If the pitch was ball four, the runner at first would be allowed second base, but when he overslid the base, he is fair game and subject to being tagged out by the defense. The ball is not dead on a walk.

 

Something interesting would be if the runner was running and MISSED the base on ball four! Of course, in that case the runner would be given second base on the base on balls, but it would be a strange play.

 

I disagree. If it's ball 4 the runner would have to be awarded second base. No attempt can be made to get him out.

I disagree. If it's ball 4 the runner would have to be awarded second base. No attempt can be made to get him out.

 

The runner cannot be put out since he is forced to 2nd base. However, that only covers him "to" second base. The ball is still live and should he proceed past 2nd (including on an overslide), he does so at his own risk.

 

Runner is out in this scenario.

bgpreppy, please continue with the story. I'm very interested in how that turned out.

 

My ruling would be that the on deck batter interferred with the play and the batter/runner is out as a result.

bgpreppy, please continue with the story. I'm very interested in how that turned out.

 

My ruling would be that the on deck batter interferred with the play and the batter/runner is out as a result.

 

The only problem with your argument is that BGPpreppy was throwing the pitcher a new ball at the same time of the supposed interference.

The appeal is actually has an effect on the entire play. With TWO outs less than two strikes, the the catcher would appeal and umpire says itwas a swing, then the inning would end with the runner being called out and the batter still due up the next inning. However, if ruled a ball, the the batter is awarded first base and the runner going to second is called out, a new batter would be up to start the inning.

 

Therefore, the appeal would determine who would be up to bat to start the next inning.

 

Especially if this is a good hitter!!! It would be nice to get that person out of the way!!! Another question for you umpires! If he is called out at second and the appeal was denied and the same batter comes up to start the next inning and takes a pitch, is this batting out of order?

Another question for you umpires! If he is called out at second and the appeal was denied and the same batter comes up to start the next inning and takes a pitch, is this batting out of order?

 

Not yet. If the opposing team were to challenge it any time prior to the batter completing his at-bat, the offense can simply put the correct batter into the box to finish the AB.

 

IF they wait until after the at-bat is completed AND before making a pitch to the next batter, THEN it is B.O.O. The batter who SHOULD have been batting is out and then whomever is next on the scorecard is at-bat.