I wonder how the "flat Earthers" are handing this one?

On 4/4/2026 at 7:34 PM, theguru said:

I wonder how the "flat Earthers" are handing this one?

It seems to have brought them and the "Never Been To The Moon" believers out of the woodwork. I've seen several even more convinced that EVERYTHING is faked and a giant conspiracy. 

1 minute ago, Jumper_Dad said:

It seems to have brought them and the "Never Been To The Moon" believers out of the woodwork. I've seen several even more convinced that EVERYTHING is faked and a giant conspiracy. 

I guess that means we faked it six times..

Just now, theguru said:

I guess that means we faked it six times..

That's their thinking.

From Clint Fiore on Facebook:

For you gullible people that don't believe we landed on the moon in 1969 and the 70's:

The moon landings happened. Here are four bulletproof reasons why the hoax theory collapses under its own weight.

1. We brought back 842 pounds of moon rocks and geologists worldwide have been slicing them open for 55 years.

Apollo 11–17 crews hauled back samples that scream "lunar origin" in every isotope, crystal structure, and chemical signature. These rocks have zero water content (Earth rocks almost always have some), solar wind particles embedded from billions of years of unfiltered space exposure, and microscopic glass beads formed by ancient meteorite impacts— stuff impossible to replicate with 1960s tech. Independent labs in the Soviet Union, Europe, Japan, and China analyzed them and confirmed: same age (3.7–4.5 billion years), same exotic minerals like armalcolite, same lack of oxidation. If NASA faked it, they'd have needed a secret lunar rock factory decades ahead of its time. Conspiracy theorists never explain how we pulled that off while simultaneously "faking" the tech to get there. These samples are still studied today in museums and universities— you can touch (protected) pieces yourself.

2. Laser reflectors are still on the Moon, and anyone with the right equipment can ping them right now.

Apollo 11, 14, and 15 crews placed corner-cube retroreflectors on the lunar surface. These are passive mirrors (no batteries, no moving parts) that bounce laser beams straight back to Earth. Observatories like McDonald in Texas, Apache Point in New Mexico, and facilities in France, Italy, and Australia have been firing lasers at them daily since 1969 and measuring the round-trip time to millimeter precision. The data proves the distance to the Moon (about 384,400 km) and how it's slowly receding (3.8 cm/year). China’s Chang’e missions and India’s Chandrayaan have imaged the exact landing sites, including the hardware and tracks. If it was faked, the hoaxers would have needed to secretly land mirrors on the Moon— or convince every laser-ranging scientist on Earth to lie for half a century. Spoiler: they didn’t.

3. Modern orbiters from multiple countries have photographed the landing sites in high resolution—footprints and all NASA’s Lunar Reconnaissance Orbiter (LRO) has snapped razor-sharp images of every Apollo site since 2009.

You can see the descent stages, rover tracks, astronaut footprints, and even the exact paths they walked. Japan’s SELENE, India’s Chandrayaan-2, and China’s Chang’e-2 and Chang’e-3 orbiters independently confirmed the same shadows, hardware, and disturbance patterns. These aren’t blurry NASA photos from 1969, they’re crisp, multi-spectral images taken decades later by rival space agencies. The geometry matches perfectly: the flag is still there (Apollo 11’s fell over during liftoff), the rover is parked where they left it, and the blast craters under the landers are exactly as predicted. A studio set on Earth couldn’t survive that level of global scrutiny from space.

4. The conspiracy would have been bigger, dumber, and leakier than the actual mission.

Over 400,000 people worked on Apollo. That’s engineers, technicians, contractors, secretaries, and janitors across dozens of companies and universities. Not one deathbed confession, not one leaked memo, not one whistleblower with hard proof in 55+ years? That’s statistically insane. The Soviets were tracking every second of the missions in real time with their own radar and radio telescopes— they hated America’s guts and would have screamed "fake" at the first glitch if they could. Instead, they congratulated the U.S. and kept quiet. Faking it would have required inventing better special effects, vacuum chambers, and propulsion tech than what actually existed while hiding it from the very people who built the real rockets. Occam’s razor doesn’t just cut here; it eviscerates the hoax. 

The footage, the rocks, the reflectors, the photos, the tracking data— they all line up perfectly because the landings were real. The moon is still up there, waiting for the next crew. The evidence isn’t "believable", it’s undeniable. If you’re still on the fence, go look at an LRO image of Tranquility Base or bounce a laser off those reflectors yourself. 

Please stop buying into the nonsense conspiracies. Way too many of you on here have been posting your doubts after listening to flimsy conspiracies, without also looking for the undeniable data that supports the truth.

Please oh please let the Orion capsule have a contrail on re-entry.

It would be conspiracy theory Mecca.

Edited April 8Apr 8 by Voice of Reason

7 minutes ago, Voice of Reason said:

Please oh please let the Orion capsule have a contrail on re-entry.

It would be conspiracy theory Mecca.

Yes!!!

19 hours ago, Voice of Reason said:

Please oh please let the Orion capsule have a contrail on re-entry.

It would be conspiracy theory Mecca.

They are ready! A guy I've known for over 40 years posted this today and spurred a lively contrails discussion! 

I will certainly be watching the re-entry tonight. Praying for a safe splash down.

I didn't know this but there is an issue with the heat shield on Artemis II.  The heat shield on Artemis I was damaged during reentry so Artemis II is going to reenter Earth's atmosphere at a steeper angle so that it is exposed to less heat.  Reading through an article on it, it is not ideal, it is not a long term solution, NASA already installed the heat shield on Artemis II before they knew about the problem on Artemis I, but NASA is confident the steeper decent will mitigate the issue and it is safe for the crew.  

23 minutes ago, theguru said:

I didn't know this but there is an issue with the heat shield on Artemis II.  The heat shield on Artemis I was damaged during reentry so Artemis II is going to reenter Earth's atmosphere at a steeper angle so that it is exposed to less heat.  Reading through an article on it, it is not ideal, it is not a long term solution, NASA already installed the heat shield on Artemis II before they knew about the problem on Artemis I, but NASA is confident the steeper decent will mitigate the issue and it is safe for the crew.  

With the way NASA operates, wouldn't that knowledge been a reason to scrub the launch and fix that issue?

6 minutes ago, nkypete said:

With the way NASA operates, wouldn't that knowledge been a reason to scrub the launch and fix that issue?

I would sure think so and the more I read about this the more "shocked" I was NASA is operating this way.