8 hours ago, bugatti said:

I get they are a disaster, but last year he ruined any chance of Mac Jones becoming a serviceable starting QB in this league (which I doubted anyways). They never officially had an offensive coordinator last year, but most of the duties were handed to Matt Patricia, a defensive guy. No clue what in the hell Belichick was doing putting him in that post.

Clearly a majority of the success the Pats had was due to stellar QB play (I just threw up in my mouth a little bit.)  If Bill was such a master mind evil genius, there would be a banner, somewhere, that says Super Bowl Champion Cleveland Browns.   But their isn't.

Not sure if it’s time for him to retire BUT absolutely sure that it’s for him to quit being so arrogant!!!!

On 10/9/2023 at 10:53 PM, Tranquility Base said:

Clearly a majority of the success the Pats had was due to stellar QB play (I just threw up in my mouth a little bit.)  If Bill was such a master mind evil genius, there would be a banner, somewhere, that says Super Bowl Champion Cleveland Browns.   But their isn't.

that's what I have tried to tell people for years when discussing both of them. Bill was a fired football coach that was struggling even with the Pats before he lucked into Brady when Bledsoe got hurt. The year they won their first Super Bowl, they lost to a horrible Bengals team to start that 2001 season when Bledsoe was still hurting. Bledsoe gets hurt the next game, Brady comes in and the rest is history. 
 

As a head coach he didn’t accomplish really anything before Brady, and hasn’t accomplished anything since Brady left. While Brady though went on to have success still even without Bill.