I do not think there is much argument here, my pic is Teagan Moore. Does anyone have someone else that you think deserves it more? 

Unequivocally Moore.

However, shoutout to Dylan Hammonds, Max Green, Dylan Roberts, Kenyon Goodin, and Luke Erhardt. Kids would win POY in plenty other regions.

3 hours ago, wingt51 said:

However, shoutout to Dylan Hammonds, Max Green, Dylan Roberts, Kenyon Goodin, and Luke Erhardt. Kids would win POY in plenty other regions.

I think you mean "Dallas" Roberts ...LOL...  ??

 

2 minutes ago, ColonelMike said:

I think you mean "Dallas" Roberts ...LOL...  ??

 

Yeah! That fella?. A stud.

Just now, wingt51 said:

Yeah! That fella?. A stud.

Lol, been a rough 24 hour stretch with these names. I got Joseph and David mixed up last night somehow, so I have you beat. 

Gotta be Moore, I'd say.  Kids like Hammond and Roberts just picked a bad year to be a senior (and some other kids perhaps wisely decided to repeat a grade.  heh)......

6 hours ago, Adrian Woj Burner said:

I do not think there is much argument here, my pic is Teagan Moore. Does anyone have someone else that you think deserves it more? 

Teagan Moore Hands Down.

1. Moore

2. Goodin

3. Hammonds

4. Roberts

5. Erhardt

6. Green 

7.  Krohman

 

 

48 minutes ago, Mojocat said:

Gotta be Moore, I'd say.  Kids like Hammond and Roberts just picked a bad year to be a senior (and some other kids perhaps wisely decided to repeat a grade.  heh)......

It would be interesting to compare long term success of repeat a grade vs start a kid late- basically the identical end game. Some kids you mentioned are “old” for their grade because they started school late, as opposed to repeating. Leads to dominating at a very early age- playing on better aau teams, getting big minutes in middle school and playing varsity early- ahead of kids in same grade. Big benefit- extreme confidence is built from early success and confidence goes a very very long way in basketball. Repeats don’t actually get that same long term benefit as the hold backs…

41 minutes ago, Hoopstars said:

It would be interesting to compare long term success of repeat a grade vs start a kid late- basically the identical end game. Some kids you mentioned are “old” for their grade because they started school late, as opposed to repeating. Leads to dominating at a very early age- playing on better aau teams, getting big minutes in middle school and playing varsity early- ahead of kids in same grade. Big benefit- extreme confidence is built from early success and confidence goes a very very long way in basketball. Repeats don’t actually get that same long term benefit as the hold backs…

Moore and Roberts have both started Varsity since 8th grade. I believe Hammonds didn't start until his sophomore year, but don't take my word on that. 

14 minutes ago, Adrian Woj Burner said:

Moore and Roberts have both started Varsity since 8th grade. I believe Hammonds didn't start until his sophomore year, but don't take my word on that. 

Right. The question I was asking is how much did guys like that benefit from being a hold back (if they were- which I don’t know) vs the benefit a kid who repeats, 8th grade for example, gets. I think the kids who are hold backs at a young age have a cascading long term advantage that far aways the kid who repeats at a much later time. If you are bigger and stronger and faster and more mature than nearly everyone else in grades 2-8 you are gonna experience great success and build tremendous confidence. That doesn’t happen repeating when you are already done with middle school…

26 minutes ago, Adrian Woj Burner said:

Moore and Roberts have both started Varsity since 8th grade. I believe Hammonds didn't start until his sophomore year, but don't take my word on that. 

Correct, Hammonds came off the bench as a freshman.  Guffey did start as a freshman, but left the program at the end of season.

4 hours ago, 4 Quarters said:

Correct, Hammonds came off the bench as a freshman.  Guffey did start as a freshman, but left the program at the end of season.

Hammonds sat the end of bench as 8th grade behind a good group of SR/JR. 6th man as a freshman with a very good Grant team that year winning 22 games and losing to Oldham in quarter finals at region. Then the next the 3 years turned into the double-double machine.  I believe after tonight he’s around 18th-19th in KHSAA all-time rebounds(1280ish) heck of a player. 

7 hours ago, Hoopstars said:

It would be interesting to compare long term success of repeat a grade vs start a kid late- basically the identical end game. Some kids you mentioned are “old” for their grade because they started school late, as opposed to repeating. Leads to dominating at a very early age- playing on better aau teams, getting big minutes in middle school and playing varsity early- ahead of kids in same grade. Big benefit- extreme confidence is built from early success and confidence goes a very very long way in basketball. Repeats don’t actually get that same long term benefit as the hold backs…

Yes, would be interesting to have that data.  My kid has played AAU basketball and baseball on some really good (nationally ranked) teams, and a lot of his teammates' names are ones well recognized on these boards.  A surprising number (to me, anyway) of them have repeated grades, and almost always it was late middle school or even early high school.  One kid on his basketball team was held back from the beginning - but the others, it was like it didn't occur to the parents to do that until much later.  The two kids in the  list above that I'm aware of repeating grades, one did it his freshman year of high school, the other I believe was sometime in middle school (before I was even aware of the kid).

9 hours ago, Mojocat said:

Yes, would be interesting to have that data.  My kid has played AAU basketball and baseball on some really good (nationally ranked) teams, and a lot of his teammates' names are ones well recognized on these boards.  A surprising number (to me, anyway) of them have repeated grades, and almost always it was late middle school or even early high school.  One kid on his basketball team was held back from the beginning - but the others, it was like it didn't occur to the parents to do that until much later.  The two kids in the  list above that I'm aware of repeating grades, one did it his freshman year of high school, the other I believe was sometime in middle school (before I was even aware of the kid).

Interesting- my experience is the opposite- more- in fact many many boys start schooling later- enter kindergarten when 6 and repeats occur less often.