When a field goal or extra point are tried, the holder usually has his knee on the ground. If the play is muffed and he picks up the ball to run/throw, is he down, or is he allowed to get up and scramble?

When he touches the ball he is down if his knee is on the ground...But they let it go for the sake of freewill.

When he touches the ball he is down if his knee is on the ground...But they let it go for the sake of freewill.

 

I don't think this is true, Larry. Let me look it up.

NFHS Rule 4-2-2...a placekick holder with his knee(s) on the ground and with a teammate in kicking position may:

 

1. Catch or recover the snap while his knee(s) is on the ground and place the ball for a kick, or if he rises to advance, hand, kick or pass.

 

2. Rise and catch an errant snap and immediately return his knee(s) to the ground and place the ball for a kick or again rise to advance, hand, kick or pass.

 

Note: The ball becomes dead if the place-kick holder muffs the snap or fumbles and recovers after his knees have been off the ground, and he then touches the ground with other than hand or foot while in possession of the ball.

Thanks 81...This is a good question.

NFHS Rule 4-2-2...a placekick holder with his knee(s) on the ground and with a teammate in kicking position may:

 

1. Catch or recover the snap while his knee(s) is on the ground and place the ball for a kick, or if he rises to advance, hand, kick or pass.

 

2. Rise and catch an errant snap and immediately return his knee(s) to the ground and place the ball for a kick or again rise to advance, hand, kick or pass.

 

Note: The ball becomes dead if the place-kick holder muffs the snap or fumbles and recovers after his knees have been off the ground, and he then touches the ground with other than hand or foot while in possession of the ball.

 

A side note FYI: According to Chris Boniol, (former kicker for Dallas Cowboys, Eagles, and Bears) a field goal or PAT is missed if kick is awry, or if blocked. If the holder picks up the ball and runs, it counts as a rush for holder and does not count against the kicking unit (snapper, holder, kicker) as a miss.

NFHS Rule 4-2-2...a placekick holder with his knee(s) on the ground and with a teammate in kicking position may:

 

1. Catch or recover the snap while his knee(s) is on the ground and place the ball for a kick, or if he rises to advance, hand, kick or pass.

 

2. Rise and catch an errant snap and immediately return his knee(s) to the ground and place the ball for a kick or again rise to advance, hand, kick or pass.

 

Note: The ball becomes dead if the place-kick holder muffs the snap or fumbles and recovers after his knees have been off the ground, and he then touches the ground with other than hand or foot while in possession of the ball.

Bottom line, by rule, if the error was caused by the snapper (skips it back there or snaps it too high, etc.), the holder can raise his knee and go immediately back down after getting the ball and it can still be kicked (the ball isn't dead). If its the holder's fault (he muffs, fumbles, etc.) and his knee comes up, when it goes back down, it's down.

A side note FYI: According to Chris Boniol, (former kicker for Dallas Cowboys, Eagles, and Bears) a field goal or PAT is missed if kick is awry, or if blocked. If the holder picks up the ball and runs, it counts as a rush for holder and does not count against the kicking unit (snapper, holder, kicker) as a miss.

This is true, Coach Landry. In box scores, a botched PAT attempt is listed as "run failed" or "pass failed" unless foot makes contact with ball. Then it becomes "kick failed" or "kick blocked."

 

However, the statistics ruling differs here in high school as opposed to the NFL and (I think) college. In the pros, it goes down as a 3-yard rush or pass if successful. In high school, it is not counted in the total offensive statistics, either as a rushing or passing attempt or in the offensive yardage. No stats are recorded on a conversion run or pass attempt.

In High School on a PAT once the ball is kicked no one can advance the ball even if blocked. The ball can be advnced on a blocked punt or field gaol.

In High School on a PAT once the ball is kicked no one can advance the ball even if blocked. The ball can be advnced on a blocked punt or field gaol.

I don't think a turnover, such as a fumble or interception, can be returned on a two point conversion either.

Don't believe so; I for one think that this is a rule that should be changed and be the same as in college; if you block an extra point or intercept/recover a 2pt try, you should be able to run it back for 2 points of your own.

Don't believe so; I for one think that this is a rule that should be changed and be the same as in college; if you block an extra point or intercept/recover a 2pt try, you should be able to run it back for 2 points of your own.

:thumb: I agree. I was refereeing a third and fourth grade game last week and a kid ran an interception back on a two point conversion. We gave him the two points just for effort.

We discussed this back in August...Great minds think alike, Bluto.

 

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