It seems like Sen Shaughnessy wants to have things both ways. On one hand, in light of the obvious inherent differences between public and private schools such as private schools' utter lack of enrollment boundaries or feeder patterns, when public schools voted overwhelmingly for separate state championship tournaments (exercising their right through the KHSAA legislative process to choose who they play), Mr. Shaughnessy screams about discrimination.

On the other, he says it is unfair to place eligibility limitations on kids who come to private schools from well outside what could be considered reasonable attendance boundaries or feeder schools because that would take away their right to choose which school is best for them.

 

The state Board of Education's direction was to seek compromise to championship separation. It seems that Mr. Shaughnessy isn't interested in anything other than maintaining the status quo.

 

I think thats a stretch.

It seems like Sen Shaughnessy wants to have things both ways. On one hand, in light of the obvious inherent differences between public and private schools such as private schools' utter lack of enrollment boundaries or feeder patterns, when public schools voted overwhelmingly for separate state championship tournaments (exercising their right through the KHSAA legislative process to choose who they play), Mr. Shaughnessy screams about discrimination.

On the other, he says it is unfair to place eligibility limitations on kids who come to private schools from well outside what could be considered reasonable attendance boundaries or feeder schools because that would take away their right to choose which school is best for them.

 

The state Board of Education's direction was to seek compromise to championship separation. It seems that Mr. Shaughnessy isn't interested in anything other than maintaining the status quo.

 

Go research and find out how many kids from outside the diocese of Louisville can go to T or X. Find out if a kid who goes to Mary Queen in Lexington can enroll at Cov. Cath.

Go research and find out how many kids from outside the diocese of Louisville can go to T or X. Find out if a kid who goes to Mary Queen in Lexington can enroll at Cov. Cath.

 

I looked at the websites of all three schools and saw no restrictions on admissions (other than Cov Cath stating they may not accept students with prior discipline problems). :confused:

I looked at the websites of all three schools and saw no restrictions on admissions (other than Cov Cath stating they may not accept students with prior discipline problems). :confused:

I believe what is being referred to is that the Diocese does set up boundaries for kids to attend a certain school. A kid leaving in southern Campbell County would not be able to attend Holy Cross(Kenton or Boone County) in NKY as I understand it.

 

Boundaries are not the same as the geographical boundaries that most public schools have set for themselves or within their mission from the state.

Don't agree that it is better but usually smaller meaning more individual attention which research has shown is more effective in it's instruction.

 

To beat a dead horse....the class sizes do not have to be larger, especially if there is unused space at larger schools.....larger enrollment doesn't equate with less individual attention. I dare say Trinity and St. X have some of the better student:teacher ratios in the state and yet somehow these schools serve 2800 boys effectively. If not, the enrollments would be dropping....

It seems like Sen Shaughnessy wants to have things both ways. On one hand, in light of the obvious inherent differences between public and private schools such as private schools' utter lack of enrollment boundaries or feeder patterns, when public schools voted overwhelmingly for separate state championship tournaments (exercising their right through the KHSAA legislative process to choose who they play), Mr. Shaughnessy screams about discrimination.

On the other, he says it is unfair to place eligibility limitations on kids who come to private schools from well outside what could be considered reasonable attendance boundaries or feeder schools because that would take away their right to choose which school is best for them.

 

The state Board of Education's direction was to seek compromise to championship separation. It seems that Mr. Shaughnessy isn't interested in anything other than maintaining the status quo.

 

I just do not understand Mr. Sears position. A student can either attend a private school and pay $8500 per year or attend a public school absolutely free. With the $8500 handicap, so what if the privates invite students from out of county? Sears would argue for no out of county students, no publicity for your school to attract students, and his group having an $8500 annual advantage. Can anyone explain how this is fair? What is wrong with the status quo?

To beat a dead horse....the class sizes do not have to be larger, especially if there is unused space at larger schools.....larger enrollment doesn't equate with less individual attention. I dare say Trinity and St. X have some of the better student:teacher ratios in the state and yet somehow these schools serve 2800 boys effectively. If not, the enrollments would be dropping....

Not sure what you are saying or if you interpreted my post correctly.

 

BF indicated that independents became a choice because they offer better education than the county school. I countered that I didn't agree that the smaller independent provided a better education than the larger county school. It does offer a smaller class size and setting and for some that is perceived as better.

 

I did also indicated that research shows that a classrooom with 20 students will be more effective and efficient in teaching than a classroom with the same teacher and 30 students.

 

T and X as well as any other private school does have an advantage on class sizes than publics. If they wish to have 2800 students on Day 1, than they set the enrollment at that number. A public cannot turn away students. We might have 1,000 show up the first day, might have 800. No way to know. This year, my school went over 900 for the first time. That was a little bit of surprise as in we had students enrolling in school up to a week into the school year.

 

Last year, they had to add a math teacher into the year because numbers went up more than they expected based upon those that enrolled after the school year had started.

 

Also, publics don't have the luxury in saying our school is built for 800 students and that is all that we are taking. If 1000 students show up that first week of school, than you have 1000 students, no matter whether you wanted them or not. Assuming they all live in district of course.

 

And lastly, a student shows up to enroll on May 2nd (as one of my students did last year and it was their FIRST day of school for the year) and school is out on May 15th, you have to provide them with an opportunity to earn their credits for that ENTIRE semester and you MUST take them as a student.

 

And all of that should be an option for these kids. And a reason why publics are necessary and needed. But does not mean that publics and privates are on the same field in education.

Some cities just want to have a better school system. And thus, the independent district. Don't really get your objection to independent school districts, or the idea that all school systems are the same. :confused:

LBBC - As you can see here, I never said that "independents became a choice because they offer better education than the county school." What I said (and meant) was that some cities see this as the best option for the education of their children. Most independent school districts go back many decades to a time when schools were a much more local enterprise. When people feel that a system is working, they're not likely to want to change--or give up that local control.

LBBC - As you can see here, I never said that "independents became a choice because they offer better education than the county school." What I said (and meant) was that some cities see this as the best option for the education of their children. Most independent school districts go back many decades to a time when schools were a much more local enterprise. When people feel that a system is working, they're not likely to want to change--or give up that local control.

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I made the assumption that you meant best option or better school system as being better educationwise and pointed out that it could just mean a smaller school setting rather than better.

 

And I agree. I believe I would like my children to be in a smaller setting where every teacher knows their names rather than a school of 1500 where they do not. Not that there is anything wrong with the other. My personal preference.

 

I preferred my college of 1500 over the schools of 10,000 and my college education was just fine. And at the same time I teach with people who went to the college of 10,000 and their education was just fine also.

T and X as well as any other private school does have an advantage on class sizes than publics. If they wish to have 2800 students on Day 1, than they set the enrollment at that number. A public cannot turn away students. We might have 1,000 show up the first day, might have 800. No way to know. This year, my school went over 900 for the first time. That was a little bit of surprise as in we had students enrolling in school up to a week into the school year.

 

LBBC, I don't think you understand how Trinity works. Trinity has had a very large increase in the number of students over the past few years. During that same time they have LOWERED the student/teacher ratio by building 25 new classrooms and several new labs. They have not and will not turn students away. The school may have the ability to turn students away, but it has not been used in the past and it will not be used in the future. Trinity doesn't say "We want to have 1400 students". It is just the opposite. 1400 students say "We want Trinity". If that number is 1500, 1600 or 2000, we'll make room. If that number is 1050, as it was only a few years ago, we'll handle that too.

LBBC, I don't think you understand how Trinity works. Trinity has had a very large increase in the number of students over the past few years. During that same time they have LOWERED the student/teacher ratio by building 25 new classrooms and several new labs. They have not and will not turn students away. The school may have the ability to turn students away, but it has not been used in the past and it will not be used in the future. Trinity doesn't say "We want to have 1400 students". It is just the opposite. 1400 students say "We want Trinity". If that number is 1500, 1600 or 2000, we'll make room. If that number is 1050, as it was only a few years ago, we'll handle that too.

Sounds good and it speaks volumes that Trinity does not turn students away. I am sure that other private schools might do the same thing and kudos to them.

 

My point was not to disparage any privates but to point out that this is there option and they can set up their staff or resources based upon X number of students. Publics have an idea based upon seniors that graduated subtracted out with the 8th grade class numbers added in, but sometimes that number is wrong based upon those moving in and out of the district.

 

I am curious on whether T would accept a student that had not been in school at all the entire school year and with only 2-4 weeks left in the school year? And what would they provide that student as far as education for that year?

I am curious on whether T would accept a student that had not been in school at all the entire school year and with only 2-4 weeks left in the school year? And what would they provide that student as far as education for that year?

I'm not sure. My guess is that they would make a decision based on what worked best. And that statement may be one of their biggest advantages. If a student showed up in that situation, there is no rule book that says how it has to be handled. They could do whatever made sense for the student and the school. I can't imagine that it would ever be in a students best interests to move into a new school in the last month of the year. If it was absolutely unavoidable, my guess is that they would try to match the students old classes and new classes as much as possible and go from there. I need to emphasize that I don't speak for Trinity, work for Trinity or have any authority there.

 

By the way, can we get a forty time on this hypothetical student? (Just kidding)

I'm not sure. My guess is that they would make a decision based on what worked best. And that statement may be one of their biggest advantages. If a student showed up in that situation, there is no rule book that says how it has to be handled. They could do whatever made sense for the student and the school. I can't imagine that it would ever be in a students best interests to move into a new school in the last month of the year. If it was absolutely unavoidable, my guess is that they would try to match the students old classes and new classes as much as possible and go from there. I need to emphasize that I don't speak for Trinity, work for Trinity or have any authority there.

 

By the way, can we get a forty time on this hypothetical student? (Just kidding)

Again only thinking about football. :D She is a she.

 

And I agree that is exactly what Trinity should do. My point is that there should be a school that MUST take her and not just turn her out. And that is the role of the public school. It is an essential that there is a school to take that student in our society where parents too many times are not living up to their responsibilities.

 

And there should be a school where parents of strong faith can have their children raised in that faith. (My perfect world all schools would be private schools raising their children with a strong Christian foundation but that is another thread.)

 

BTW, the private schools of these faiths are great outreach tools and SHOULD NOT be limited to just people of that faith.

 

With that said, it still does not mean that they are on the same playing field. And it definitely does not mean that one is right and one is wrong. Or one is worse or one is better. Just means they are different.

Again only thinking about football. :D She is a she.

 

And I agree that is exactly what Trinity should do. My point is that there should be a school that MUST take her and not just turn her out. And that is the role of the public school. It is an essential that there is a school to take that student in our society where parents too many times are not living up to their responsibilities.

 

And there should be a school where parents of strong faith can have their children raised in that faith. (My perfect world all schools would be private schools raising their children with a strong Christian foundation but that is another thread.)

 

BTW, the private schools of these faiths are great outreach tools and SHOULD NOT be limited to just people of that faith.

 

With that said, it still does not mean that they are on the same playing field. And it definitely does not mean that one is right and one is wrong. Or one is worse or one is better. Just means they are different.

 

What about the jumpshot? We could use another shooter:D (another joke)

 

We have at Lex. Cath, accepted non seniors far into the second part of the school year. I don't know of a policy that would go into effect if the student were a senior. There have been seniors that have entered school for the final semester.

Again only thinking about football. :D She is a she.

 

Uh, I didn't ask that question. That would be a no no.