Not true. Wisconsin could beat Penn State in B1G Champ and OSU would still only have 1 loss. That would be a whale of choice between a 2 loss Wisconsin team that is the B1G Champ (which the committee supposedly loves) and a 1 loss OSU team that BEAT Wisconsin. I think they'd take OSU and that would be the right decision but would go against their emphasis on conference champions.

 

If scenario happens then the big 10 would possibly get 2 in imo. Just like I said with Michigan a one lost OSU and ending the year beating Michigan would make it in before a 2 lost Wisconsin or Penn st. However with all these losses yesterday, it now gives a 2 lost Big 10 champ a chance to make it too.

It's kind of funny @GrantNKY that OSU now can be in the same scenario that we just debated on Michigan about.

 

So I guess we will see where you stand in that debate now lol. If Clemson, UL, and Washington all win out and OSU beats Michigan. Would they leave the big 10 champ and put OSU in. Would they put 2 big 10 teams in, or would they leave OSU out and put the big 10 champ, pac 12 champ, and ACC champ in over OSU. If that last scenario happens then I guess we would see if you truly would be fine with a one lost OSU team being left out for a 2 lost big 10 champ or not.

 

For the record I maintain the same as I said about Michigan last week. A one lost OSU would get in over a 2 lost big 10 champ.

It's kind of funny @GrantNKY that OSU now can be in the same scenario that we just debated on Michigan about.

 

So I guess we will see where you stand in that debate now lol. If Clemson, UL, and Washington all win out and OSU beats Michigan. Would they leave the big 10 champ and put OSU in. Would they put 2 big 10 teams in, or would they leave OSU out and put the big 10 champ, pac 12 champ, and ACC champ in over OSU. If that last scenario happens then I guess we would see if you truly would be fine with a one lost OSU team being left out for a 2 lost big 10 champ or not.

 

For the record I maintain the same as I said about Michigan last week. A one lost OSU would get in over a 2 lost big 10 champ.

The difference is Ohio State probably won't get the chance to play for the Big 10 Champ game if they beat Michigan. But so much happened yesterday that it threw all previous assumptions out the window. I moved Penn State from the mathematically possible to realistically possibly category after yesterday. If you made me bet I would say the Big 10 is getting 2 teams in right now. I don't see Washington winning out and unless Clemson flips a switch they aren't winning out either.

The difference is Ohio State probably won't get the chance to play for the Big 10 Champ game if they beat Michigan. But so much happened yesterday that it threw all previous assumptions out the window. I moved Penn State from the mathematically possible to realistically possibly category after yesterday. If you made me bet I would say the Big 10 is getting 2 teams in right now. I don't see Washington winning out and unless Clemson flips a switch they aren't winning out either.

 

No difference. I said even if Michigan lost to OSU, and then OSU lost the big 10 championship game. That Michigan with 1 lost would still get in over a 2 lost big 10 champ, and you disagreed.

 

I agree after yesterday anything can happen the rest of the way. I'm just curious to see your reaction if OSU beats Michigan but Clemson, Washington and UL all win out. Would you still feel like a 2 lost big 10 champ should be in over a lost team like OSU like you felt with Michigan last week?

 

I think a 1 lost OSU should be in over a 2 lost big 10 champ. Just like I said about Michigan last week.

No difference. I said even if Michigan lost to OSU, and then OSU lost the big 10 championship game. That Michigan with 1 lost would still get in over a 2 lost big 10 champ, and you disagreed.

 

I agree after yesterday anything can happen the rest of the way. I'm just curious to see your reaction if OSU beats Michigan but Clemson, Washington and UL all win out. Would you still feel like a 2 lost big 10 champ should be in over a lost team like OSU like you felt with Michigan last week?

 

I think a 1 lost OSU should be in over a 2 lost big 10 champ. Just like I said about Michigan last week.

There is a difference. If it's Wisconsin they would have had a chance to avenge their loss to Ohio State after Ohio State just beat Michigan. I think the difference now is that OSU is going to be #2 from here on if they win out and they won't be in the conference champ game. It would be hard to see them dropping out at that point. Ohio State wasn't going to be in the top 4 until maybe the final weekend if everything went how we assumed it would last week. Michigan losing screwed everything up....

There is a difference. If it's Wisconsin they would have had a chance to avenge their loss to Ohio State after Ohio State just beat Michigan. I think the difference now is that OSU is going to be #2 from here on if they win out and they won't be in the conference champ game. It would be hard to see them dropping out at that point. Ohio State wasn't going to be in the top 4 until maybe the final weekend if everything went how we assumed it would last week. Michigan losing screwed everything up....

 

Maybe you misunderstood what I meant. There is zero difference between what we debated last week. Last week when it was Michigan you said you didn't think they should be in over a 2 lost big 10 championship and talked how they value conference champions more. Now is the same case as we discussed last week, except it's with OSU. Which we said we thought you feel differently if it was OSU in that situation and not Michigan. Well that has happened now. OSU probably won't get to the big 10 championship game.

 

So do you still think a lost big 10 champ should be in first over a one lost team like OSU now? Or would you find it ok if they only take the big 10 champ and leave a 1 lost OSU team out? Same situation as we discussed last week with Michigan, except now it's your OSU team that could be in that situation. So would you still feel like the big 10 champ would deserve it more than a one lost OSU team?

Maybe you misunderstood what I meant. There is zero difference between what we debated last week. Last week when it was Michigan you said you didn't think they should be in over a 2 lost big 10 championship and talked how they value conference champions more. Now is the same case as we discussed last week, except it's with OSU. Which we said we thought you feel differently if it was OSU in that situation and not Michigan. Well that has happened now. OSU probably won't get to the big 10 championship game.

 

So do you still think a lost big 10 champ should be in first over a one lost team like OSU now? Or would you find it ok if they only take the big 10 champ and leave a 1 lost OSU team out? Same situation as we discussed last week with Michigan, except now it's your OSU team that could be in that situation. So would you still feel like the big 10 champ would deserve it more than a one lost OSU team?

I didn't think they should be in over a 2 loss team if that 2 loss team just beat Ohio State. That's not the case we have now. Wisconsin will have to beat Penn State if OSU beats Michigan. The win against Ohio State would have been enough to get them in to me, Penn State won't. I think if Michigan does knock off OSU and Wisconsin knocks off Michigan, Wisconsin is in.

I didn't think they should be in over a 2 loss team if that 2 loss team just beat Ohio State. That's not the case we have now. Wisconsin will have to beat Penn State if OSU beats Michigan. The win against Ohio State would have been enough to get them in to me, Penn State won't. I think if Michigan does knock off OSU and Wisconsin knocks off Michigan, Wisconsin is in.

 

Your still not answering what we discussed. Me and I believe UKMustangFan called you out saying we bet you would have had a different opinion if OSU was in Michigan's position. If Michigan was undefeated going to the OSU game and then lost but then OSU lost to Wisconsin in the Big 10 championship we both said Michigan should still be in over Wisconsin with one lost, you disagreed. Same with if Michigan was undefeated going into the big 10 championship and then lost. We said Michigan would still deserve to be in more, you disagreed with that. We said we bet you would have had a different opinion though if OSU was in that same spot as Michigan and had only one lost but didn't win the big 10. We both said we thought you would argue that OSU should be in, but yet you didn't think so with Michigan.

 

So I am asking you has your opinion changed. If OSU is that team with only one lost, but doesn't win the Big 10. Would you still say the Big 10 winner deserves it more than OSU like you said last week about Michigan? Using your arguments if Penn state won it, Penn state would have won the Big 10 and beat OSU. If Wisconsin won it, they would have won the Big 10 and beat the team who beat OSU. These were arguments you used last week in saying why the Big 10 champ should make it over a 1 lost Michigan.

 

So do you still feel the same now that, one lost team can be OSU. Do you still believe a 2 lost big 10 champ should deserve to be in over a 1 lost OSU. Or has your opinion changed since it's OSU in that spot and not Michigan?

Your still not answering what we discussed. Me and I believe UKMustangFan called you out saying we bet you would have had a different opinion if OSU was in Michigan's position. If Michigan was undefeated going to the OSU game and then lost but then OSU lost to Wisconsin in the Big 10 championship we both said Michigan should still be in over Wisconsin with one lost, you disagreed. Same with if Michigan was undefeated going into the big 10 championship and then lost. We said Michigan would still deserve to be in more, you disagreed with that. We said we bet you would have had a different opinion though if OSU was in that same spot as Michigan and had only one lost but didn't win the big 10. We both said we thought you would argue that OSU should be in, but yet you didn't think so with Michigan.

 

So I am asking you has your opinion changed. If OSU is that team with only one lost, but doesn't win the Big 10. Would you still say the Big 10 winner deserves it more than OSU like you said last week about Michigan? Using your arguments if Penn state won it, Penn state would have won the Big 10 and beat OSU. If Wisconsin won it, they would have won the Big 10 and beat the team who beat OSU. These were arguments you used last week in saying why the Big 10 champ should make it over a 1 lost Michigan.

 

So do you still feel the same now that, one lost team can be OSU. Do you still believe a 2 lost big 10 champ should deserve to be in over a 1 lost OSU. Or has your opinion changed since it's OSU in that spot and not Michigan?

Ohio State would deserve it more now. But I know your going to say I changed my opinion based on it being Ohio State. But to me it's apples and oranges. It's not the same comparison. A Wisconsin win over Penn State in the Big 10 championship is not the same as a Wisconsin win over Ohio State. Now if Wisconsin beats Michigan in the Big 10 Champ game then I still think they should represent the Big 10 in the playoff. So to definitively answer your question Ohio State would be more deserving. I still think a 2 loss Big 10 Champ should be in over a 1 loss PAC 12 Champ, 2 loss Big 12 Champ, but not over UofL. I don't think a win over Penn State is going to be convincing enough like a win over OSU or Michigan would be for Wisconsin.

Ohio State would deserve it more now. But I know your going to say I changed my opinion based on it being Ohio State. But to me it's apples and oranges. It's not the same comparison. A Wisconsin win over Penn State in the Big 10 championship is not the same as a Wisconsin win over Ohio State. Now if Wisconsin beats Michigan in the Big 10 Champ game then I still think they should represent the Big 10 in the playoff. So to definitively answer your question Ohio State would be more deserving. I still think a 2 loss Big 10 Champ should be in over a 1 loss PAC 12 Champ, 2 loss Big 12 Champ, but not over UofL. I don't think a win over Penn State is going to be convincing enough like a win over OSU or Michigan would be for Wisconsin.

 

I am not even talking about Wisconsin now. I admitted with how things played out it is now realistic for Wisconsin to make it. And of coarse Wisconsin should make it now if they play Michigan and beat them because Michigan would also have 2 losses. However just last week you seemed to think a 2 lost big 10 champ over a 1 lost Michigan team. Yet now with OSU possibly being that one lost team, and not winning the big 10 you think they would deserve it over the big 10 champ but didn't think that with Michigan even if they beat OSU and it's only lost being in the Big 10 championship.

 

The only thing that has changed in those scenarios was OSU could be that one lost team without a big 10 championship instead of Michigan and now your opinion has changed lol. However arguments with OSU fans is pointless lol. So we just need to agree to disagree on the situations we discussed about Michigan last week is different for OSU.

Oh for the love of Mike, it's not that hard to understand...

 

If Michigan had gone to the Big 10 championship game undefeated, and as the #2 team in the country...it would've been a HUGE win for Wisconsin in the committee's eyes. It's not that hard to see where some would feel Wisconsin would be considered the "better" team at that time.

 

As it stands now, Wisconsin won't be able to "avenge" one of their losses by playing Penn State (instead of OSU), so it'll be hard for them to leapfrog the Buckeyes.

Oh for the love of Mike, it's not that hard to understand...

 

If Michigan had gone to the Big 10 championship game undefeated, and as the #2 team in the country...it would've been a HUGE win for Wisconsin in the committee's eyes. It's not that hard to see where some would feel Wisconsin would be considered the "better" team at that time.

 

As it stands now, Wisconsin won't be able to "avenge" one of their losses by playing Penn State (instead of OSU), so it'll be hard for them to leapfrog the Buckeyes.

 

It's not hard to see that Michigan would have also just beat OSU the week before, and would also have had a win over Wisconsin too. So Michigan and Wisconsin would have split, while Michigan also would have had a win over OSU and one less lost. The committee would not have had a 2 loss Wisconsin jump them, unless Wisconsin destroyed them.

 

The only thing that changed is now it's OSU and not Michigan.

I am not even talking about Wisconsin now. I admitted with how things played out it is now realistic for Wisconsin to make it. And of coarse Wisconsin should make it now if they play Michigan and beat them because Michigan would also have 2 losses. However just last week you seemed to think a 2 lost big 10 champ over a 1 lost Michigan team. Yet now with OSU possibly being that one lost team, and not winning the big 10 you think they would deserve it over the big 10 champ but didn't think that with Michigan even if they beat OSU and it's only lost being in the Big 10 championship.

 

The only thing that has changed in those scenarios was OSU could be that one lost team without a big 10 championship instead of Michigan and now your opinion has changed lol. However arguments with OSU fans is pointless lol. So we just need to agree to disagree on the situations we discussed about Michigan last week is different for OSU.

I'll settle for agreeing to disagree on this one.

I'll settle for agreeing to disagree on this one.

 

At least we agree to do that.

At least we agree to do that.

We usually agree on the Bengals too. :thumb: