Making a Murderer is returning to Netflix with new episodes

[HammerTime]

Making a Murderer is returning to Netflix with new episodes | The Verge

 

Making a Murderer, Netflix's popular true crime documentary series, will return for a second season. The show followed the arrest, trial, and conviction of Steven Avery, a man from Manitowoc County, Wisconsin who was found guilty of murdering Teresa Halbach, a local photographer. Avery's nephew Brendan Dassey was also convicted as an accessory to murder.

 

Netflix says the new episodes will give viewers insight into Avery's life post-conviction, as well as input from Avery and Dassey's new legal teams. While the first season never explicitly argued for Avery's innocence, it did portray both him and Dassey as sympathetic characters who were maybe just in the wrong place at the wrong time — despite a build up of evidence to the contrary.

 

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[HammerTime]

Guess I'm the only one in on this. :lol2:

[Habib]

I'd like to see updates on the career of Len Kachinsky, lawyer extraordinaire.

[ColonelCrazy]

Guess I'm the only one in on this. :lol2:

 

Oh we will be watching this, too.

[formerkywrestler]

I'll be watching.

[True blue (and gold)]

I'll be watching!

[ThrillVille Cardinal51]

If it's not Gene Kusche staying in the room next to mine at Sandals in the Bahamas, it's literally a dead ringer. I mean, dead on.

[woodsrider]

So my wife and I finished watching this over the weekend. Really good series however I was bit disappointed after researching the story online. The show definitely did their best to present the story from the stand point that Avery was innocent. I honestly have no idea whether he did it or not. There is evidence that points to him but almost all of it has unanswered questions. One thing I read that they didn't include was Dassey told the police he helped Avery move her car into the junk yard. He said Avery then opened the hood and disconnected the battery. They apparently found Avery's DNA from sweat on the hood latch. I was blown away they didn't include that.

 

On a side note Dassey had his conviction overturned in Federal Court and will get a new trial.

[bugatti]

So my wife and I finished watching this over the weekend. Really good series however I was bit disappointed after researching the story online. The show definitely did their best to present the story from the stand point that Avery was innocent. I honestly have no idea whether he did it or not. There is evidence that points to him but almost all of it has unanswered questions. One thing I read that they didn't include was Dassey told the police he helped Avery move her car into the junk yard. He said Avery then opened the hood and disconnected the battery. They apparently found Avery's DNA from sweat on the hood latch. I was blown away they didn't include that.

 

On a side note Dassey had his conviction overturned in Federal Court and will get a new trial.

 

The prosecution declined the filmmakers access that the defense did. I tend to think they framed a guilty person.

[woodsrider]

The prosecution declined the filmmakers access that the defense did. I tend to think they framed a guilty person.

It wasn't so much that the story was told from side of the defense as much as they made Avery out to be this lovable idiot that the police were out to get. It seems reality is closer to Avery being at best a small time criminal to at worse being a murderer.

 

Even with that I'm not convinced he did it. There are way too many unanswered questions on all of the evidence, especially on the key pieces.

[bugatti]

It wasn't so much that the story was told from side of the defense as much as they made Avery out to be this lovable idiot that the police were out to get. It seems reality is closer to Avery being at best a small time criminal to at worse being a murderer.

 

Even with that I'm not convinced he did it. There are way too many unanswered questions on all of the evidence, especially on the key pieces.

 

To the bolded, the police created that because they were out to get him; hence, the first episode. To me the biggest thing is that this guy has the resources to dispose of a vehicle, but he is too dimwitted to do that, though he does have the brains to clean an uncleanable area of all DNA.

 

Other thing I keep telling myself is that it seems like Avery would be the type that would confess if he actually did do something. I don't know why I feel that way, but always have thought he would come clean if he did it.

[woodsrider]

To the bolded, the police created that because they were out to get him; hence, the first episode. To me the biggest thing is that this guy has the resources to dispose of a vehicle, but he is too dimwitted to do that, though he does have the brains to clean an uncleanable area of all DNA.

 

Other thing I keep telling myself is that it seems like Avery would be the type that would confess if he actually did do something. I don't know why I feel that way, but always have thought he would come clean if he did it.

This is what has me leaning toward him not doing it.

 

His house doesn't have a spec of her DNA.

His garage doesn't have a spec of her DNA, other than supposedly on the bullet.

Her car has his blood but no prints or other DNA (hair, sweat, ect). However the hood latch has his sweat. So he was wearing gloves but was able to leave blood from his finger in the car and sweat from his hand on the latch.

The bones are in 3 different locations, why? Also questionable that you could burn a body to that degree in a bonfire. Also one location is 1/2 mile away?

He drove her car past a crusher and tried to hide it with branches. Leaves it there for a what, a week? Why not torch it then crush it. Or just crush it. Or just leave it somewhere else.

The biggest for me is there is almost zero doubt the police planted the key. And if they did plant the key where did they get it? The call that Colborn made to dispatch to run the plates was beyond bizarre and was never explained.

[True blue (and gold)]

Two things that I came away with:

 

1) There is enough doubt that he shouldn't have been convicted. I don't know whether he did it or not.

 

2) If you are going to get charged with a crime, you are 10 times more likely to be screwed over if you are poor. 100 times more likely if you are poor and unintelligent.

[woodsrider]

Two things that I came away with:

 

1) There is enough doubt that he shouldn't have been convicted. I don't know whether he did it or not.

 

2) If you are going to get charged with a crime, you are 10 times more likely to be screwed over if you are poor. 100 times more likely if you are poor and unintelligent.

I tend to agree with your first point however, I'm somewhat on the fence about that position. Mainly because I think the show was edited in a way so you would tend to come away with that mind set. I really wish they would have laid out all critical evidence.

 

To the bold, isn't that probably true because of poor representation? Avery didn't have that problem. Now Dassey definitely did.

[True blue (and gold)]

I tend to agree with your first point however, I'm somewhat on the fence about that position. Mainly because I think the show was edited in a way so you would tend to come away with that mind set. I really wish they would have laid out all critical evidence.

 

To the bold, isn't that probably true because of poor representation? Avery didn't have that problem. Now Dassey definitely did.

I spent some time reading the transcripts of the trial (Avery) and still have that feeling of too much doubt.

 

To to your second point, yes. Dassey was poor and unintelligent. He was used and railroaded. How he didn't get a new attorney when asked is beyond me. Glad that his conviction was overturned.