I never thought that in 7th grade when I read the book "1984"... In my lifetime, much of what it talked about would actually come true... Much of it already has. Wow.

We all benefit.

 

With current tech it wouldn't be that expensive and it has to be way way cheaper than all wars we fight.

 

The Feds would have the data just like they already have everything else on us. No commercial interests at all, not even Google is allowed to access the info. NIDC's are never to be allowed for any commercial purposes at all and/or collected by any other entity besides the Feds.

 

You say we all benefit. I'm asking how.

 

Estimates to implement range from $4B to over $10B. That probably doesn't include the annual costs of oversight staff in the government nor replacing and maintaining equipment and software. You'd be stunned at how much software companies charge for maintenance of just their software.

 

Are we under the impression that "fake" ID cards could not be produced? Are we going to require every business, such as the small flight school used by some of the 9.11 terrorists, to implement them? What if they don't use them? How do we know they didn't use them when the terrorists signed up?

 

I'm asking a lot of questions because I don't think it's a simple process and I haven't even talked about privacy concerns although I'm afraid too many Americans are willing to give those up in the name of "safety.'

 

 

What about law enforcement? Can they access the data?

Government already has a boatload of information on just about everyone. Name, DOB, SS#, address, bank account number, past employers, parents, siblings, children..... Can't see where a national ID card gives them anything more and might simply some other things such as voting and signing up for various govt benefits.

 

Streamlines the process and makes everyone accountable.

You say we all benefit. I'm asking how.

 

Estimates to implement range from $4B to over $10B. That probably doesn't include the annual costs of oversight staff in the government nor replacing and maintaining equipment and software. You'd be stunned at how much software companies charge for maintenance of just their software.

 

Are we under the impression that "fake" ID cards could not be produced? Are we going to require every business, such as the small flight school used by some of the 9.11 terrorists, to implement them? What if they don't use them? How do we know they didn't use them when the terrorists signed up?

 

I'm asking a lot of questions because I don't think it's a simple process and I haven't even talked about privacy concerns although I'm afraid too many Americans are willing to give those up in the name of "safety.'

 

 

What about law enforcement? Can they access the data?

 

10 Billion vs. going to war, sign me up for the 10 Billion.

 

The government has many of the brightest minds, and if not, hire them and write your own software. We don't want any third party Snowden types with access to the software.

 

A fake would be a serious, serious felony...

 

I think law enforcement would have a terminal to run the Fed Database for some type of confirmation of authentic NIDCs but I am not sure beyond that.

Hell, why don't we just chip everybody.

 

I keep waiting for that to be our reality. Started with our cars and then our dogs. We aren't far off.

 

A fake would be a serious, serious felony...

 

Aren't the people who more than likely would probably have fakes, be the people who are planning on committing serious, serious felonies?

Aren't the people who more than likely would probably have fakes, be the people who are planning on committing serious, serious felonies?

 

Hope so because they are more likely to be caught and prosecuted on the additional felony of having a forged NIDC before they commit a felony that kills Americans.

10 Billion vs. going to war, sign me up for the 10 Billion.

 

The government has many of the brightest minds, and if not, hire them and write your own software. We don't want any third party Snowden types with access to the software.

 

A fake would be a serious, serious felony...

 

I think law enforcement would have a terminal to run the Fed Database for some type of confirmation of authentic NIDCs but I am not sure beyond that.

How does this keep us from war?

10 Billion vs. going to war, sign me up for the 10 Billion.

 

The government has many of the brightest minds, and if not, hire them and write your own software. We don't want any third party Snowden types with access to the software.

 

A fake would be a serious, serious felony...

 

I think law enforcement would have a terminal to run the Fed Database for some type of confirmation of authentic NIDCs but I am not sure beyond that.

 

1. How do we make the jump from ID cards to no war?

 

2. If hiring your own made financial sense companies would do that. It's still cheaper to pay maintenance contracts.

 

3. How would we have charged the 9.11 terrorists with a felony?

 

4. What could law enforcement do with the data? Do you think law enforcement would cross the line due to the abundance of data and how having it could help them despite Constitutional concerns? (Hint: See NSA)

1. How do we make the jump from ID cards to no war?

 

2. If hiring your own made financial sense companies would do that. It's still cheaper to pay maintenance contracts.

 

3. How would we have charged the 9.11 terrorists with a felony?

 

4. What could law enforcement do with the data? Do you think law enforcement would cross the line due to the abundance of data and how having it could help them despite Constitutional concerns? (Hint: See NSA)

 

It's Friday Clyde, help me out some...

 

1. It would lessen the chance of war because we would be safer here in America and what will ultimately force America into war is when we are threatened at home.

 

2. This would be a simple program just to collect information, I don't believe it would take much on the tech side to set the process up. Name, DOB, Address, High Quality Picture, and National ID Number.

 

3. Not enough information to answer the question.

 

4. Law enforcement would just make sure you belong and/or are in compliance. The data contained on a NIDC would be less than Law Enforcement already has at their disposal.

It's Friday Clyde, help me out some...

 

1. It would lessen the chance of war because we would be safer here in America and what will ultimately force America into war is when we are threatened at home.

 

2. This would be a simple program just to collect information, I don't believe it would take much on the tech side to set the process up. Name, DOB, Address, High Quality Picture, and National ID Number.

 

3. Not enough information to answer the question.

 

4. Law enforcement would just make sure you belong and/or are in compliance. The data contained on a NIDC would be less than Law Enforcement already has at their disposal.

 

It's a fair debate , thus, my questions. Those that are for it need to explain why. You've spoken in generalities which has led to my questions.

 

#3 was really rhetorical. You say punish them severely if they have a fake ID . I'm saying they were already dead along with 3,000 others by the time we would have discovered about the "fake."

 

Call my cynical but I KNOW law enforcement would be figuring out how to dig into that data (and it wouldn't just be name, rank, serial number). If we have this ID card and it's required to do business then it essentially is tracking your every move. You don't think law enforcement would want that even without proper legal justification? I would if I were them. It would be like a big jelly donut sitting right in front of me with a "do not eat" sign on it.

The government already spies on all of its citizens. They have our emails, texts, phone records, purchase records, financial information, and I would speculate psychological profiles on each of us based on the sheer amount of information collected. I am sure our government has much more too.

 

With all that in mind why not go to a National ID Card? Wouldn't it make a lot of the issues we have simple and easy to track and address? Frankly, a National ID Card is child's play compared to much of the information the government collects and already has on each of us.

 

So yes or no, is it time for a National ID Card?

 

I have the same questions as Clyde.

It's a fair debate , thus, my questions. Those that are for it need to explain why. You've spoken in generalities which has led to my questions.

 

#3 was really rhetorical. You say punish them severely if they have a fake ID . I'm saying they were already dead along with 3,000 others by the time we would have discovered about the "fake."

 

Call my cynical but I KNOW law enforcement would be figuring out how to dig into that data (and it wouldn't just be name, rank, serial number). If we have this ID card and it's required to do business then it essentially is tracking your every move. You don't think law enforcement would want that even without proper legal justification? I would if I were them. It would be like a big jelly donut sitting right in front of me with a "do not eat" sign on it.

 

It is a very fair debate and your questions are great. I just mean it is football Friday, I am busy!

 

On #3, if they had a fake and ANY of the 911 terrorist (one lived in Florence KY by the way) got caught with the fake maybe the whole 911 Terror Plot would have been discovered and avoided. Just sayin.

 

Law Enforcement abuse of the system should also be a serious felony. That goes for the government too. One of the main problems we have will all the information being collected on each of us is when high ranking officials abuse it nothing is done. Those officials need to go to prison.

I have the same questions as Clyde.

 

Great questions and I have the same answers for you RM.

I not only have nothing to fear it would make America a much safer place.

 

Eventually in the future we will go a step further and the cards will have microchips on them that can be scanned. As long as you are carrying your NIDC you cool. If not, be prepared for armed government agents stopping you.

 

What stops fake NIDC's? People duplicate credit cards, and even CHIP technology isn't going to stop identity theft.