Greg Cosell said something today that totally describes Dalton. He said that nobody keeps stats on throws the QB should make but does not attempt. That is Dalton's problem sometimes. He is so afraid of making a mistake, he does not take chances. The main reason why is that he probably has had it ingrained in him that his arm is not strong enough to make tough throws so he checks it down. I am so sick of seeing him throw a 3 yard pass to Gresham on third and 5.

Protecting the ball isn't going 3 and out just about every single time. You do realize the Bengals didn't get their first 1st down in the second half until 11 mins left in the 4th qtr.

 

Going 3 and out isn't a game manager, you can get anyone off the street to go 3 and out.

 

We also know he isn't a very good QB and that is what you have wrong also. A very good QB isn't the only QB that can thorw a complete pass downfield when your reciever is open by a mile. You are acting like only very good QB's can throw the ball 10 yards downfield. I can throw the ball 10 yards downfield, does that make me a Very Good QB?

 

Again, Dalton has not completed A SINGLE PASS 15yds or further downfield since Dec 7th, 17 qtrs and counting. A bad QB can at least do that....Dalton hasn't.

 

Hmmm didn't the Ravens when they won the Super Bowl with Dilfer go something like 5 straight weeks or something crazy without scoring an offensive touchdown during the season? Look at his stats during the playoffs too. We can continue on with more facts for you. Dilfer that year in the regular season completed only 59% of his passes, and threw for only 1500 yards with 12 touchdowns and 11 interceptions. During the post season that year he had a great completion percentage of 47.9% and averaged only 150 yards a game in 4 playoff games. Sure doesn't sound like he was moving the chains much. Quite honestly his numbers seem very similar if not worst than what we see of Dalton. Yes we see well Dilfer won a super bowl, however he was not moving the chains by him having to pass, and would just be smart and take care of the football and take a punt when they got stopped instead of forcing a pass. He won a Super Bowl because everyone around him, the running game, defense and special teams played great. Same story with Brad Johnson who completed a great 54% of his passes during their post season when they won the Super Bowl.

 

So people talked about how they wanted Dalton to be like them. Well his play in this last playoff game was pretty much exactly like the guys you all said you wanted him to be. They were not going out completing passes every time a guy was open. They missed quite a few as we see in there completion percentage. They won because of everyone else. So as I said Dalton's play in the last playoff game was exactly like people said they wanted. Yet people complain like they thought he should play like a good QB would. If people wanted him to be a game manager like those guys, then he did exactly that and people are just complaining to complain then. If you want him to be a good QB, then yes I could see complaining with this game.

 

This is by no means an endorsement of Dalton from me. I would love if they go find a new QB because still nothing proven that he can get them over the top. However I am just saying this is one playoff game, where IMO it was not completely his fault like the other ones.

Hmmm didn't the Ravens when they won the Super Bowl with Dilfer go something like 5 straight weeks or something crazy without scoring an offensive touchdown during the season? Look at his stats during the playoffs too. We can continue on with more facts for you. Dilfer that year in the regular season completed only 59% of his passes, and threw for only 1500 yards with 12 touchdowns and 11 interceptions. During the post season that year he had a great completion percentage of 47.9% and averaged only 150 yards a game in 4 playoff games. Sure doesn't sound like he was moving the chains much. Quite honestly his numbers seem very similar if not worst than what we see of Dalton. Yes we see well Dilfer won a super bowl, however he was not moving the chains by him having to pass, and would just be smart and take care of the football and take a punt when they got stopped instead of forcing a pass. He won a Super Bowl because everyone around him, the running game, defense and special teams played great. Same story with Brad Johnson who completed a great 54% of his passes during their post season when they won the Super Bowl.

 

So people talked about how they wanted Dalton to be like them. Well his play in this last playoff game was pretty much exactly like the guys you all said you wanted him to be. They were not going out completing passes every time a guy was open. They missed quite a few as we see in there completion percentage. They won because of everyone else. So as I said Dalton's play in the last playoff game was exactly like people said they wanted. Yet people complain like they thought he should play like a good QB would. If people wanted him to be a game manager like those guys, then he did exactly that and people are just complaining to complain then. If you want him to be a good QB, then yes I could see complaining with this game.

 

This is by no means an endorsement of Dalton from me. I would love if they go find a new QB because still nothing proven that he can get them over the top. However I am just saying this is one playoff game, where IMO it was not completely his fault like the other ones.

How many 1st downs did the Ravens offense get in the playoff games? Did they consistently go qtrs without a 1st down?

 

You also keep saying how people wanted dalton to do just that and not throw the ball. I never heard anyone say they didn't want him to be able to complete passes which is what you are claiming. Being a game manager is someone who protects the ball first and foremost and doesn't lose games for the team. How can you say Dalton was a game manager when he was among the league leaders in Interceptions?

 

Seriously FC, you really need to learn what these things you talk about actually mean.

 

Game Manager: A game manager is a quarterback is not expected to produce a lot of yards and points for the offense. He is not the best quarterback in the league, but the team is good enough to win due to a great running game or defense. He will be expected to make short passes and not turn the ball over, allowing the team to make long, time consuming drives. Trent Dilfer is the best example. Baltimore won the Super Bowl, but not because of Trent. A gunslinger is a quarterback who is going to throw. The team needs him to throw and score lots of points. He can be rather reckless, trying to make plays. Brett Favre is the best example of that.

 

 

Trent Dilfer for the 2000 Ravens was a game manager. Wasn't a great QB, but didn't turn the ball over

 

Dalton turned the ball over and was far from being a game manager.

 

The most important part of being a game manager is simply protecting the ball and moving the offense mainly using the run game. This year Dalton did neither. There were too many games where our backs didn't get the carries they needed and Dalton turned the ball over too many times. Dalton this year had 19 turnovers, 17 Interceptions and 2 lost fumbles out of the 3 fumbles he had.

Not a game manager

How many 1st downs did the Ravens offense get in the playoff games? Did they consistently go qtrs without a 1st down?

 

You also keep saying how people wanted dalton to do just that and not throw the ball. I never heard anyone say they didn't want him to be able to complete passes which is what you are claiming. Being a game manager is someone who protects the ball first and foremost and doesn't lose games for the team. How can you say Dalton was a game manager when he was among the league leaders in Interceptions?

 

Seriously FC, you really need to learn what these things you talk about actually mean.

 

Game Manager: A game manager is a quarterback is not expected to produce a lot of yards and points for the offense. He is not the best quarterback in the league, but the team is good enough to win due to a great running game or defense. He will be expected to make short passes and not turn the ball over, allowing the team to make long, time consuming drives. Trent Dilfer is the best example. Baltimore won the Super Bowl, but not because of Trent. A gunslinger is a quarterback who is going to throw. The team needs him to throw and score lots of points. He can be rather reckless, trying to make plays. Brett Favre is the best example of that.

 

 

Trent Dilfer for the 2000 Ravens was a game manager. Wasn't a great QB, but didn't turn the ball over

 

Dalton turned the ball over and was far from being a game manager.

 

The most important part of being a game manager is simply protecting the ball and moving the offense mainly using the run game. This year Dalton did neither. There were too many games where our backs didn't get the carries they needed and Dalton turned the ball over too many times. Dalton this year had 19 turnovers, 17 Interceptions and 2 lost fumbles out of the 3 fumbles he had.

Not a game manager

 

You really might want to see stats before you say stuff. You talk about Dilfer being a game manager, you realize he started 11 games that regular season he won the super bowl and still threw 11 interceptions. That sounds pretty familiar to me, which averaged out to an interception per game Dilfer started that year in the season. Dilfer had a 59% completion percentage, so sure sounds like he missed even more receivers than Dalton who had a 64% completion percentage. So what exactly did Dilfer do that was so much better and definitely a better game manager? As I stated that playoff year when Dilfer won a super bowl, he had a completion percentage of 47.9%, that sure doesn't sound like he was completing many of the passes he was throwing. But yet you say Dilfer was the perfect example of a game manager, and Dalton isn't. However the stats for Dilfer says otherwise. What you think you may remember, obviously is wrong when you look at the stats. Dilfer and the Ravens won because of a great running game, a great defense and special teams. Dilfer's play obviously was very similar to Daltons play, meaning he didn't do much at all and wasn't completing passes anymore than what we see of Dalton.

 

So yes Dalton pretty much was what you all said you wanted him to be. With all that said you keep talking about the whole season. When I have made it very clear I have been talking about the playoff game. So what Dalton did in the season has nothing to do with the playoff game, in which I said in this game it wasn't on him like the other ones. He played exactly how people said they wanted him to play, and didn't even have a chance to miss guys because guys weren't even open. If you want to talk about the whole season as a whole, then no I am not going to defend him. I am defending him for one game and that is the playoff game. I just find it funny that he actually did exactly what you all wanted him to be this year. Which I didn't even realize how Dilfers numbers were even worst than Daltons numbers in the regular season that Dilfer won a super bowl. I wasn't a fan of Dilfer, so obviously I am not a huge fan of Dalton right now. Just pointing out, how he was more like you all said you wanted him to be than you all realize.

You really might want to see stats before you say stuff. You talk about Dilfer being a game manager, you realize he started 11 games that regular season he won the super bowl and still threw 11 interceptions. That sounds pretty familiar to me, which averaged out to an interception per game Dilfer started that year in the season. Dilfer had a 59% completion percentage, so sure sounds like he missed even more receivers than Dalton who had a 64% completion percentage. So what exactly did Dilfer do that was so much better and definitely a better game manager? As I stated that playoff year when Dilfer won a super bowl, he had a completion percentage of 47.9%, that sure doesn't sound like he was completing many of the passes he was throwing. But yet you say Dilfer was the perfect example of a game manager, and Dalton isn't. However the stats for Dilfer says otherwise. What you think you may remember, obviously is wrong when you look at the stats. Dilfer and the Ravens won because of a great running game, a great defense and special teams. Dilfer's play obviously was very similar to Daltons play, meaning he didn't do much at all and wasn't completing passes anymore than what we see of Dalton.

 

So yes Dalton pretty much was what you all said you wanted him to be. With all that said you keep talking about the whole season. When I have made it very clear I have been talking about the playoff game. So what Dalton did in the season has nothing to do with the playoff game, in which I said in this game it wasn't on him like the other ones. He played exactly how people said they wanted him to play, and didn't even have a chance to miss guys because guys weren't even open. If you want to talk about the whole season as a whole, then no I am not going to defend him. I am defending him for one game and that is the playoff game. I just find it funny that he actually did exactly what you all wanted him to be this year. Which I didn't even realize how Dilfers numbers were even worst than Daltons numbers in the regular season that Dilfer won a super bowl. I wasn't a fan of Dilfer, so obviously I am not a huge fan of Dalton right now. Just pointing out, how he was more like you all said you wanted him to be than you all realize.

How does 11 Interceptions sound as bad as 17 interceptions? lol

 

You do realize the immense amount of rule changes to make the game easier for QB's since 2000 don't you? Don't even talk about compl % until you realize what you are saying. If you want to act as if both played in the same framework of the rules today you realize that Dalton's compl% would be among the NFL's all time greats if youcompare his compl % to those from the 70's right? Do you think he was better than Dan Fouts or Ken Anderson etc.? Seriously

 

 

 

Dilfer in the 2000 post season threw for 3 TD's and 1 INT so yes he did do much better than Dalton who has only thrown 1 TD in 4 years in the post season yet has thrown 6 Interceptions lol

 

All this and you conveniently seem to ignore the fact that the Ravens had one of the, if not the best defense in the history of the NFL that year. How many turnovers did they force in the Super Bowl alone? lol

Edited January 9, 201511 yr by Hellbird

And here we go...

Bottom line: I'm pretty sure most everyone agrees that Dalton has to be more than a game manager if the Bengals are going to advance through the playoffs.

 

1). Dilfer and Johnson were in the league longer than 4 years when they won the Super Bowl. They had more experience and probably had a much better understanding than Dalton does on how to "manage a game".

 

2) Both Tampa and Baltimore's head coaches had at least won a playoff game in years prior to their Super Bowl seasons... This is how I remember it. Feel free to correct me if I'm wrong.

In other words, their coaches knew how to win big games too.

 

3). The Bengals defense isn't even close to those two defenses. They can't even be in the same conversation.

 

In summary, Dalton has to be more than a game manager if the Bengals are going to win a Super Bowl anytime soon. Since most people believe that's beyond his reach, the future doesn't look very promising.

How does 11 Interceptions sound as bad as 17 interceptions? lol

 

You do realize the immense amount of rule changes to make the game easier for QB's since 2000 don't you? Don't even talk about compl % until you realize what you are saying. If you want to act as if both played in the same framework of the rules today you realize that Dalton's compl% would be among the NFL's all time greats if youcompare his compl % to those from the 70's right? Do you think he was better than Dan Fouts or Ken Anderson etc.? Seriously

 

 

 

Dilfer in the 2000 post season threw for 3 TD's and 1 INT so yes he did do much better than Dalton who has only thrown 1 TD in 4 years in the post season yet has thrown 6 Interceptions lol

 

All this and you conveniently seem to ignore the fact that the Ravens had one of the, if not the best defense in the history of the NFL that year. How many turnovers did they force in the Super Bowl alone? lol

 

You really do see and read only what you want to read don't you? I even said Dilfer only started 11 games and threw 11 interceptions. That is an interception per game, so if he played 16 games at that rate like Dalton did then he would have threw 16 interceptions. So yeah it would have been one less, big difference haha.

 

For someone who even posted a thing about what a game manager is, I am not sure how you can continue to argue that Dalton didn't do exactly that. A game manager is one who needs to rely on a strong running game and defense to win, that is what Dilfer did. If he didn't have that and had a running game get stuffed like the Bengals and a defense giving up a lot of yards in the air, he wouldn't have won either with how he played. As you posted a game manager is one who won't be a gun slinger but will complete short passes. Well obviously with Dilfers 47% completion percentage, he wasn't doing such a great job completing short or long passes. Also as you mentioned Dalton hadn't completed a pass longer than 15 yards in the last few weeks. However as a game manager as you just posted, a QB is not expected to have to do that. Yet here you are constantly complaining about it. The same guy who said you wanted him to be a game manager, but then you complain about him not completing long passes.

 

You mention how I didn't mention the Ravens defense? What? I mentioned that three times talking about how if you are going to win with a game manager at QB you need a great running game, a great defense, and special teams. The Ravens had all of that, that year. So that was able to hide Dilfers numbers, which as I pointed out were not good at all. Dalton's numbers doesn't get hid like his when all the other things aren't happening like for what Dilfer had. So thanks for bring up my point by talking about the Ravens defense.

And here we go...

 

Hey we have been pretty good lately, it has been awhile.

Bottom line: I'm pretty sure most everyone agrees that Dalton has to be more than a game manager if the Bengals are going to advance through the playoffs.

 

1). Dilfer and Johnson were in the league longer than 4 years when they won the Super Bowl. They had more experience and probably had a much better understanding than Dalton does on how to "manage a game".

 

2) Both Tampa and Baltimore's head coaches had at least won a playoff game in years prior to their Super Bowl seasons... This is how I remember it. Feel free to correct me if I'm wrong.

In other words, their coaches knew how to win big games too.

 

3). The Bengals defense isn't even close to those two defenses. They can't even be in the same conversation.

 

In summary, Dalton has to be more than a game manager if the Bengals are going to win a Super Bowl anytime soon. Since most people believe that's beyond his reach, the future doesn't look very promising.

 

Great post. Which I was just pointing out how people wanted Dalton to be a game manager like a Dilfer. Will when you look at Dilfers Super Bowl year, his numbers were practically similar to Dalton except he completed even less of his passes. Which I could buy Hellbirds argument that its easier for QB's now. So we could say Dilfer would have had a higher completion percentage now, and probably would be around where Dalton's is then. So in short the QB the people wanted Dalton to be like, he really was. However his play doesn't get hid like Dilfers did, because he didn't have the great running game all year, a great defense, and special teams. So I just find it funny that people wanted him to be like that, and don't seem to realize he was and are still complaining. Saying be a game manager, and make post about how a game manager completes short passes. Then complain about how Dalton wasn't completing long passes though haha. Just completely contradicts what was said, its just funny.

 

I am all for the Bengals getting a new QB, because as you said the Bengals need a QB who is more than just a game manager (even though that is what people said they wanted). So I am in not backing Dalton at all, just stating how he was pretty similar to what people said they wanted. Which as we see now, we need more than just a game manager.