January 6, 201511 yr Not franchise history, but fans want the Now and not what we used to do or what we did a long time ago. No one cares about tradition in pro sports, they want it now. I disagree. All I want is a Bengals Super Bowl title. I don't care if it happens once or more than once, all I want is it to happen no matter when just as long as I am alive to enjoy it. I don't get all frustrated over the Reds post 1990 because I have the Big Red Machine and the 90 championship year to fall back on and remember. I lived to see 3 World titles by the Reds and I am happy with that. I've never seen a Bengals championship and that is what I want. If the Bengals win it all next year I'm happy and if they never win another one I'm still happy.
January 6, 201511 yr I disagree. All I want is a Bengals Super Bowl title. I don't care if it happens once or more than once, all I want is it to happen no matter when just as long as I am alive to enjoy it. I don't get all frustrated over the Reds post 1990 because I have the Big Red Machine and the 90 championship year to fall back on and remember. I lived to see 3 World titles by the Reds and I am happy with that. I've never seen a Bengals championship and that is what I want. If the Bengals win it all next year I'm happy and if they never win another one I'm still happy. Guessing you have a better shot at winning the lottery, then the Bengals winning the Super Bowl next year, as a matter of fact, I'm sure of it.:dancingpa
January 6, 201511 yr So it's the fans fault that the Bengals haven't won a playoff game in 25 years? Got it. As long as the man is making money, NOTHING is going to change, so YES, supporting this organization, by purchasing tickets, will keep things statuesque.:idunno: Clearly you don't understand how profitable the NFL is. In August 2014, the Bengals were valued at $990 million (27th in the NFL). The "gate receipts" totaled $49 million. The Bengals received $721 million from the "sport" alone. Yes, the Bengals' portion of the "shared revenue" from the league was $721,000,000. Source: Cincinnati Bengals on the Forbes NFL Team Valuations List Paul Brown Stadium's capacity is 65,500. Including the preseason games, the Bengals are guaranteed 10 home games (2 preseason, 8 regular season). Assuming each game is a sell out, the total attendance equals 655,000. Based on the gate receipts of $49,000,000, the average ticket costs $74.81. If approximately half of the fans stopped buying tickets, the average attendance lowered to 30,000, the Bengals would still earn over $22 million in gate receipts....plus the $721,000,000 from the NFL's shared revenue. You can preach about how people are wasting their money; how the season ticket holders are responsible for the franchise's inadequacies; how nothing will ever change until people stop going to the games, etc. The facts of the matter are that the NFL has created a ridiculously profitable product based primarily on television. Attendance alone is only a very small drop in the bucket.
January 6, 201511 yr ColonelCrazy, that $721m was not revenue, it's the portion of the valuation. Revenue's were $258m of which $49m was gate receipts. So it looks like with 0 gate receipts the revenue would still have been $209m.
January 6, 201511 yr Clearly you don't understand how profitable the NFL is. In August 2014, the Bengals were valued at $990 million (27th in the NFL). The "gate receipts" totaled $49 million. The Bengals received $721 million from the "sport" alone. Yes, the Bengals' portion of the "shared revenue" from the league was $721,000,000. Source: Cincinnati Bengals on the Forbes NFL Team Valuations List Paul Brown Stadium's capacity is 65,500. Including the preseason games, the Bengals are guaranteed 10 home games (2 preseason, 8 regular season). Assuming each game is a sell out, the total attendance equals 655,000. Based on the gate receipts of $49,000,000, the average ticket costs $74.81. If approximately half of the fans stopped buying tickets, the average attendance lowered to 30,000, the Bengals would still earn over $22 million in gate receipts....plus the $721,000,000 from the NFL's shared revenue. You can preach about how people are wasting their money; how the season ticket holders are responsible for the franchise's inadequacies; how nothing will ever change until people stop going to the games, etc. The facts of the matter are that the NFL has created a ridiculously profitable product based primarily on television. Attendance alone is only a very small drop in the bucket. Again this is Mike Brown's life's work. You can't convince me, that this man wouldn't have his finances, along with whatever pride he might have, if he walks into his owners box, and sees over half the stadium empty, I disagree with your views on how much not buy tickets wouldn't wake up old man Brown, and things would change. Everyone has some Self Pride, everyone.:sssh:
January 6, 201511 yr ColonelCrazy, that $721m was not revenue, it's the portion of the valuation. Revenue's were $258m of which $49m was gate receipts. So it looks like with 0 gate receipts the revenue would still have been $209m. You're correct, the $721 million is the portion of the valuation attributable to revenue shared amongst all teams. Thanks for the clarification.
January 6, 201511 yr ColonelCrazy, that $721m was not revenue, it's the portion of the valuation. Revenue's were $258m of which $49m was gate receipts. So it looks like with 0 gate receipts the revenue would still have been $209m. So in this case, IF you were to take away a 5th of his profits and revenue, then YES, 100% you would get Brown's attention, big time. :clap:
January 6, 201511 yr I do believe Mike Brown wants to win and win it all. However, he will stay within his business model to try and do it. He rarely throws money at high priced free agents (Antonio Bryant for 6M and never playing a down is one he blew). He has brought the franchise from below average, really pathetic, in the late 90's-early 00's to an upper half of the league winning % over the last 10 years. He will stay with Marvin through next year at least. We will see if ML wants to stay and if MB wants him to after this contract. The playoffs are obviously a concern and like Marty Schotenheimer, he will eventually need to win playoff games, I would think, though, not sure. The real problem we have is a QB that is just good enough to get the Bengals to the playoffs (non-debatable IMO), but not good enough to carry them in big games, especially playoffs. Therefore, the defense has to be Top 5 and the running game has to be exceptional. The defense was the last three years, but the running game wasn't. This year the running game was the last ten games and the defense was below the league average. We will never consistently win big games or playoff games with AD as QB and the defense below average. Bottom line, look for more of the same next year, beating teams we should, losing to top notch teams often, and a playoff loss. Unless, the Bengals get dramatically better of defense. The teams left in the playoffs all have proven QB's (5 of 8 have won Super Bowls, Romo, Newton and Luck have not), that is the story, not coaching, not management, it's the QB play.
January 6, 201511 yr So in this case, IF you were to take away a 5th of his profits and revenue, then YES, 100% you would get Brown's attention, big time. :clap: Sure but that's not in the realm of reality. Shoot, Pittsburgh and Cleveland fans might assure a couple sellouts a year anyway.
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