I think you, as well as the majority of people that have posted here are off base. I think the referees are good for the most part. The fans are the ones that I don't think understand. Frankly after listening to some of the comments, they wouldn't know a well officiated match from hole in the ground.

 

Second issue is that the teams are very inconsistent as well. Its pretty easy to call a good game when all the teams are of the same relative skill like in the premier league or at the state cup club level.

 

Thirdly, I do believe that cumulative cautions would help but we are getting way to complicated here. One caution is the same as the others. They are all because someone was either stupid or lost their temper, sometimes both.

 

Lastly, two cautions should have the same penalty as all other send offs. If you are not able to control yourself enough to avoid a second caution you are just as foolish as the player that loses their head and commits a foul denying a goal scoring opportunity. They are all send offs.

 

Just my opinion.

 

For someone who is questioning the understanding of others... you might want to consider that there is such a thing as a "smart foul" even if it does result in a caution, or a yellow card... not ALL of them are a result of someone being stupid, or losing their temper.

I think you, as well as the majority of people that have posted here are off base. I think the referees are good for the most part. The fans are the ones that I don't think understand. Frankly after listening to some of the comments, they wouldn't know a well officiated match from hole in the ground.

 

Second issue is that the teams are very inconsistent as well. Its pretty easy to call a good game when all the teams are of the same relative skill like in the premier league or at the state cup club level.

 

Thirdly, I do believe that cumulative cautions would help but we are getting way to complicated here. One caution is the same as the others. They are all because someone was either stupid or lost their temper, sometimes both.

 

Lastly, two cautions should have the same penalty as all other send offs. If you are not able to control yourself enough to avoid a second caution you are just as foolish as the player that loses their head and commits a foul denying a goal scoring opportunity. They are all send offs.

 

Just my opinion.

 

I couldn't figure out how to multi quote so I'll have to do it this way...

 

bothways, you are entitled to your opinion. Here's mine.

 

bothways: "I think the referees are good for the most part."

 

I guess I just have higher expectations than you.

 

bothways: "Second issue is that the teams are very inconsistent as well. Its pretty easy to call a good game when all the teams are of the same relative skill like in the premier league or at the state cup club level.

 

No excuses. This proves my point about better training. The teams are inconsistent because they are boys. The refs are men (and sometimes women) and need to get better. I do not have the same general complaint about poor officiating in any other sport, only soccer. It NEEDS to get better.

 

bothways: "One caution is the same as the others. They are all because someone was either stupid or lost their temper, sometimes both."

 

Unfortunately, too often it is the ref that resembles your remark.

 

bothways: "Lastly, two cautions should have the same penalty as all other send offs. If you are not able to control yourself enough to avoid a second caution you are just as foolish as the player that loses their head and commits a foul denying a goal scoring opportunity. They are all send offs."

 

I agree! The boys have to realize that their behavior costs their team lost opportunities. They should learn this in practice, perhaps in the form of a round of Hungarians. The whole team should run to place peer-pressure on the offending party so that they don't repeat the offense next game. This is a coach's issue. Of course, there is always the bad call by the official that becomes a yellow card and the coach has the discretion when to punish the boy for a legitimate offense.

Edited August 22, 201412 yr by oldgrappler
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I would rather see the refs use the yellow cards more per game for dangerous plays in order to curve the issues on the field rather than have to worry about cumulative yellow cards. It feels that some yellow cards are not given in consideration for cumulative cards. they do not have it for basketball so why for soccer. each day is a new game. If anything, I would rather see them start tracking fouls with a limit to stop some of the dirty play. This would prevent the escalating issues that occur

Hey ttt......For basketball, would you like to see a 2 game suspension after a player fouls out of a game?

 

Perhaps soccer should use a foul system.......instead of a yellow card after 3 fouls (if the ref catches them), which is usually done. Three fouls and you are out of the game.....but can play in the next one. Then you save yellow and red for the real infractions....

Cumulative yellows doesn't work at the professional level when the players are supposed to be mature adults so it's not going to work in high school. The State can only do so much. In an attempt to decrease the amount of cards they've gone to a two game suspension for DQ's in the past few years versus the one game suspension that was in place from the 90's to mid 00's. Lastly, let's face it... there is nothing we can do about the refs. Sure I'd love to see quality refs across the board, but it's not going to happen. IMO, this is where the coach's need to step in. Nasty foul? You address it with them 1:1 and potentially sit them out depending on the nature. Dissent? Whole team runs next practice. Running increases as the number of decent cards increases. Either way you need to set the tone for your team where certain actions will not be tolerated.

Cumulative yellows doesn't work at the professional level when the players are supposed to be mature adults so it's not going to work in high school. The State can only do so much. In an attempt to decrease the amount of cards they've gone to a two game suspension for DQ's in the past few years versus the one game suspension that was in place from the 90's to mid 00's. Lastly, let's face it... there is nothing we can do about the refs. Sure I'd love to see quality refs across the board, but it's not going to happen. IMO, this is where the coach's need to step in. Nasty foul? You address it with them 1:1 and potentially sit them out depending on the nature. Dissent? Whole team runs next practice. Running increases as the number of decent cards increases. Either way you need to set the tone for your team where certain actions will not be tolerated.

 

What evidence is there that cumulative yellows don't work in the pros?

 

I'm seriously asking, that's a pretty bold statement.

Cumulative yellows doesn't work at the professional level when the players are supposed to be mature adults so it's not going to work in high school. The State can only do so much. In an attempt to decrease the amount of cards they've gone to a two game suspension for DQ's in the past few years versus the one game suspension that was in place from the 90's to mid 00's. Lastly, let's face it... there is nothing we can do about the refs. Sure I'd love to see quality refs across the board, but it's not going to happen. IMO, this is where the coach's need to step in. Nasty foul? You address it with them 1:1 and potentially sit them out depending on the nature. Dissent? Whole team runs next practice. Running increases as the number of decent cards increases. Either way you need to set the tone for your team where certain actions will not be tolerated.

 

The issues that I have with your potential solutions are that most coaches are so over the top about winning that they would not sit one of their top players unless forced to. Secondly, the great solution of having everyone run accomplishes nothing in my book. Why should everyone have to suffer because of issues with one or a few?

What evidence is there that cumulative yellows don't work in the pros?

 

I'm seriously asking, that's a pretty bold statement.

 

I don't have any hard evidence other than the amount of soccer I watch (I know, not solid evidence). I personally haven't seen a decrease in the number of cards since they've put this in place. Look at the repeat offenders... classic Suarez (and not just biting), Sergio Ramos just broke the La Liga record for most red cards back in May. Obviously, the suspensions aren't working and neither are the fines.

The issues that I have with your potential solutions are that most coaches are so over the top about winning that they would not sit one of their top players unless forced to. Secondly, the great solution of having everyone run accomplishes nothing in my book. Why should everyone have to suffer because of issues with one or a few?

 

I agree with your first statement. That is a problem and evident in some schools. That's where I'm saying the coach should step in and set the tone when the State isn't forcing you to.

 

You're entitled to your opinion. It's a team sport and that's what I go by.

I agree with your first statement. That is a problem and evident in some schools. That's where I'm saying the coach should step in and set the tone when the State isn't forcing you to.

 

You're entitled to your opinion. It's a team sport and that's what I go by.

 

Given the Scott/Boone thread has gone a path I can non longer follow as I'm not a local nor had any children going to school locally or involved much local events I thought it would be good for folks to informed here that the fact is there are coaches that do attempts to "set the tone" although they may not be made public or known outside of the players and his/her staff.

 

Without getting into specifics I understand the Boone coach has made it clear throughout the school that he is to be informed if any of his players misbehave during school and there will be consequences. A great example of coaches using their authority as not just coaches but mentors to positively affect the lives of these players even when they themselves may not comprehend why. I actually found out about this when I was inquiring about the reason of absence from another player from last year.

 

Keep in mind before assuming that when anyone sees actions on the field that the coaches aren't doing things behind the scene to address them.

Given the Scott/Boone thread has gone a path I can non longer follow as I'm not a local nor had any children going to school locally or involved much local events I thought it would be good for folks to informed here that the fact is there are coaches that do attempts to "set the tone" although they may not be made public or known outside of the players and his/her staff.

 

Without getting into specifics I understand the Boone coach has made it clear throughout the school that he is to be informed if any of his players misbehave during school and there will be consequences. A great example of coaches using their authority as not just coaches but mentors to positively affect the lives of these players even when they themselves may not comprehend why. I actually found out about this when I was inquiring about the reason of absence from another player from last year.

 

Keep in mind before assuming that when anyone sees actions on the field that the coaches aren't doing things behind the scene to address them.

 

In no way was I implying anything about the Scott/Boone game or implying coaches don't try to set the tone. I personally know that Nathan does that as well as SK's coach. Nathan did that from the onset and same with Jeremy at SK. That's from personal interactions I've had with them. They're both of the mind set, you're a student first, athlete second. If anything happens in school they want to hear about it, regardless of how minor it might be. That's not to ignore any on field discipline they enforce either.

sorry, I should have been more clear. My response was not specifically toward you and apologize if it came across that way. It's just reading that other thread has become pointless to me and this thread was more general in nature where that is very specific but both brought up the issue of coaches taking responsibilities for player actions and I felt my response was better suited for a more general audience than that one. I really don't know any of the coaches around here directly outside of a couple as I'm more involved in club on both sides of the river. so, those I do know and a few well are through those types of interactions. I'm glad to hear about other coaches taking a more active part of their players off the pitch.

I think you, as well as the majority of people that have posted here are off base. I think the referees are good for the most part. The fans are the ones that I don't think understand. Frankly after listening to some of the comments, they wouldn't know a well officiated match from hole in the ground.

 

Second issue is that the teams are very inconsistent as well. Its pretty easy to call a good game when all the teams are of the same relative skill like in the premier league or at the state cup club level.

 

Thirdly, I do believe that cumulative cautions would help but we are getting way to complicated here. One caution is the same as the others. They are all because someone was either stupid or lost their temper, sometimes both.

 

Lastly, two cautions should have the same penalty as all other send offs. If you are not able to control yourself enough to avoid a second caution you are just as foolish as the player that loses their head and commits a foul denying a goal scoring opportunity. They are all send offs.

 

Just my opinion.

To me the inconsistency, arises more in yellows issued for dissent. Referees personalties vary widely just like players. Some refs or much more thin skinned than other. I've seen yellows issued for not much more than raising an eyebrow on a questionable call with a very confrontational approach. I've seen others more even keeled refs more than willing to talk to the player, tell him what he did wrong and then say, let's go play soccer and don't do it again, Id rather not have give you a red.To say that refs don't have an eye on certain players going into games and are quicker with the card with those players just goes against human nature regardless of how unbiased they are supposed to be.

Fouls are ok and after so many you are out of the game maybe. I don't think suspension is needed until you get multiple technicals and thrown out of a game. Fouls are fouls and they occur. But when they seem to be deliberate or when fouls are not called in soccer then the aggressiveness continues to escalate to a point of potential injury, then it is a problem. Not sure what the answer is. I understand the Ref should be tracking in his head how many times a player commits a foul. But many times there are fouls that occur that we play on with the advantage. does that player still get a foul mentally in the refs mind? not sure.

sorry, I should have been more clear. My response was not specifically toward you and apologize if it came across that way. It's just reading that other thread has become pointless to me and this thread was more general in nature where that is very specific but both brought up the issue of coaches taking responsibilities for player actions and I felt my response was better suited for a more general audience than that one. I really don't know any of the coaches around here directly outside of a couple as I'm more involved in club on both sides of the river. so, those I do know and a few well are through those types of interactions. I'm glad to hear about other coaches taking a more active part of their players off the pitch.

 

No worries. I just didn't want you thinking I was implying coaches don't try to set the tone. And yes, that other thread has gotten a little heated if you will