What most of us have been saying......it's who, when, how the losses take place....and your surroundings. In a sport that IS actually settled by a tournament, this just doesn't matter. It has been spoken that the national rankings aren't a true indicator of seeding, why does anyone really care?

 

Because it fits with the larger narrative.

 

On a side note, I can't believe I got myself caught up in defending Duke. :ohbrother:

Syracuse has lost 4 of the last 6 games, and has lost more recently to Duke.

UVA lost to Duke, and just lost (though they will have a 2 seed, and I'm good with that)

Florida, WSU, and 'Zona, I agree they should be ranked higher.

and that leaves Cincy and Louisville.......they both may end up a 2.....but I highly doubt it. You named 7 teams....that leaves one more 2 seed.....I guess Duke should have that one.

trust me, I can name more teams also such as Wisconsin or even Kansas etc. Your excuses to Dukes losses are funny also. When you say they lost because they went "cold" lol. Can't every team say that in response to losing? Lol

I think UK stayed in the top 25 only because of their losses this year all but one until yesterday being in single digits and that includes teams like Mich State and Florida etc. But UK did drop after the losses.

 

To give you an example, UK lost to #2 team in the country at the time and dropped 3 spots. While Duke lost to a team behind them in the rankings the same week and only dropped 2 spots.

That is just 1 example that makes no sense. It was like that all year and just using UK as an exams again. 1 week after both had losses UK drops 7 spots and Duke drops 2. Just as an example. After UK loses 3rd game they drop to 19 while Duke is still in top 10 with 2 losses. 3 losses UK dropped 16 spots while Duke loses its 3rd and moves up 1 spot.

 

So after 3 losses for both teams Duke only drops 3 spots from week 1 while UK dropped 17 spots.

 

You can talk about teams they ayes all you want, there is no reasonable explanation why 2 teams who start in the top 4 at week 1 after the same amount of losses have such a disparity in the rankings. In top of that you look at UKs loss to Mich St who was #2 week1 while Dukes "good loss"

Was against a team ranked #8 week1.

 

No exam action other than true bias can explain the difference

 

Again with the bias stuff. You could make a great case that UK should have dropped out of the rankings two weeks ago and the only reason they remained in the top 25 is because of pro-UK bias (or, more pointedly, fear of inviting a storm of outrage from UK fans on the Internet). So there's that.

Again with the bias stuff. You could make a great case that UK should have dropped out of the rankings two weeks ago and the only reason they remained in the top 25 is because of pro-UK bias (or, more pointedly, fear of inviting a storm of outrage from UK fans on the Internet). So there's that.

 

Actually Jim you are wrong. I again never said UK should be anywhere other than where they are. I said I used UK as an example when comparing the two only because both started in the top 5 week 1.

 

It was showing how after a school who was ranked higher than Duke at the years start fell by many more spots then Duke after both with the same number of losses as the season went on.

 

UK dropped 16 spots Jim after loss 3 while Duke dropped 3 spots after loss 3 from where they started the season at.

 

Please Jim

Show me where I ever said UK deserves to be ranked higher. Show me any post where I stated they deserve to be in the top 10 like Duke is right now, you show me

That post and I will leave BGP forever.

 

Not one time have I said UK should be ranked higher than they are, what I did say however is that Duke should be given the same evaluations thy every other team is given after losses which clearly they aren't. Instead they get preferential treatment. Which has been proven.

I think UK stayed in the top 25 only because of their losses this year all but one until yesterday being in single digits and that includes teams like Mich State and Florida etc. But UK did drop after the losses.

 

To give you an example, UK lost to #2 team in the country at the time and dropped 3 spots. While Duke lost to a team behind them in the rankings the same week and only dropped 2 spots.

That is just 1 example that makes no sense. It was like that all year and just using UK as an exams again. 1 week after both had losses UK drops 7 spots and Duke drops 2. Just as an example. After UK loses 3rd game they drop to 19 while Duke is still in top 10 with 2 losses. 3 losses UK dropped 16 spots while Duke loses its 3rd and moves up 1 spot.

 

So after 3 losses for both teams Duke only drops 3 spots from week 1 while UK dropped 17 spots.

 

You can talk about teams they ayes all you want, there is no reasonable explanation why 2 teams who start in the top 4 at week 1 after the same amount of losses have such a disparity in the rankings. In top of that you look at UKs loss to Mich St who was #2 week1 while Dukes "good loss"

Was against a team ranked #8 week1.

 

No exam action other than true bias can explain the difference

Do KenPom, realtimerpi, both rankings, CBSSPORTS.COMRPI, and their 21 (and 1), are all biased towards Duke over UK.....what about Michigan over UK?

 

It's unreal....on CBSSportsline's 25 (and 1), KU lost to WVU, WVU, and they stayed the same #6.....the horror, the bias.

Do KenPom, realtimerpi, both rankings, CBSSPORTS.COMRPI, and their 21 (and 1), are all biased towards Duke over UK.....what about Michigan over UK?

 

It's unreal....on CBSSportsline's 25 (and 1), KU lost to WVU, WVU, and they stayed the same #6.....the horror, the bias.

Did KU move up spots after the loss?

 

Yes there is clearly a bias toward Duke and has been present for years.

 

That is what I've been saying all along.

 

Funny how some on here say there is a UK bias nationally when it is well known and documented that many can't stand UK and Calipari and has talked down UK for years. To say there is a positive UK bias is a joke. Ask Digger Phelps or Bobby Knight among many other national BBall folks what they think about UK.

 

Show me the national media who talks down Duke in a regular basis compared to UK.

Actually Jim you are wrong. I again never said UK should be anywhere other than where they are. I said I used UK as an example when comparing the two only because both started in the top 5 week 1.

 

It was showing how after a school who was ranked higher than Duke at the years start fell by many more spots then Duke after both with the same number of losses as the season went on.

 

UK dropped 16 spots Jim after loss 3 while Duke dropped 3 spots after loss 3 from where they started the season at.

 

Please Jim

Show me where I ever said UK should of been ranked higher. Show me any post where I stated they should be in the top 10 like Duke is right now, you show me

That post and I will leave BGP forever.

 

Not one time have I said UK should be ranked higher than they are, what I did say however is that Duke should be given the same evaluations thy every other team is given after losses which clearly they aren't. Instead they get preferential treatment. Which has been proven.

You have to compare that surroundings.....when UK lost their 3rd game, it was the 2nd in 3 games they had lost.....who else lost around them? Probably not many, as it was before conference play....when Duke lost their 3rd, they had won 5-6 games in a row. After their 72-66 loss to the RPI #1 team ('Zona), they beat two top 20 RPI teams, before losing to ND on the road. Sorry to say, but those are different circumstances.

Did KU move up 6 spots after the loss?

We all said we were surprised that Duke jumped up that much after the loss to 'Cuse.......

Why would the national media bash DUKE? What have they done to get bashed? They are not making a mockery of the rules that are in play. They get the players that their coach feels best fits needs in the program. They graduate players, they don't get in trouble, they WIN, in bunches, and in a tough, tough conference.

 

 

Heck.....just for giggles, I went back and looked at some of your other posts.....you bring up Duke at random times, such as during the UK/'Bama game.....

We all said we were surprised that Duke jumped up that much after the loss to 'Cuse.......

You said and you infer that you and others expected Duke to mve up after that loss. That alone is a joke yet has been awarded to Duke several years. Why they should of moved up in the first place is a joke. Worst case scenerio is they should of stayed put.

 

In Football, why didn't Alabama play for a national title this year, shouldn't they have after a loss at the end of the season? That Kind of logic is just stupid.

 

Duke should never have moved up at all.

 

How much do you think UNC will move up tomorrow? How much should they move up?

Why would the national media bash DUKE? What have they done to get bashed? They are not making a mockery of the rules that are in play. They get the players that their coach feels best fits needs in the program. They graduate players, they don't get in trouble, they WIN, in bunches, and in a tough, tough conference.

 

 

Heck.....just for giggles, I went back and looked at some of your other posts.....you bring up Duke at random times, such as during the UK/'Bama game.....

So you are saying UK is making a mockery of the rules? Please explain, you talk about my feelings toward Duke yet you claim UK is doing something Wong and your hatred for UK is well known. Don't preach to me about hating teams.

 

You want to talk about why they should bash Duke? First off I didn't say they should bash them, although there are reasons to do so, their coach is a hypocrite. Let's talk about one and dones and what coach K said about them when Wall was being recruited. Coach K was asked about why he didn't recruit wall and he said he doesn't believe in the one and done players and will never recruit them and then only a couple months later he is busted recruiting just that type of player. So don't act as if he doesn't do that, he is a hypocrite.

 

You act as if Duke plays in the toughest conference which is false. You act as if they are the only ones that win in bunches...doesn't UK do that since Cal has been here? Don't feed me bs, I can see right through it.

Please show me where UK broke rules since Cal has been here.

 

I can name however several times I. The last couple years Duke has been accused of wrongdoing. The jewelry fiasco, the AAU coaches etc. don't try and tell me Duke runs a clean program.

You said and you infer that you and others expected Duke to mve up after that loss. That alone is a joke yet has been awarded to Duke several years. Why they should of moved up in the first place is a joke. Worst case scenerio is they should of stayed put.

This is starting to hurt my brain....and I'm getting perturbed at my Duke bretherin, for making me be the one to put you to task. BUT, why would it be such a joke for Duke to jump after playing brilliantly in a loss (which was 5 spots in one poll only, the coaches' not the AP)?

 

In Football, why didn't Alabama play for a national title this year, shouldn't they have after a loss at the end of the season? That Kind of logic is just stupid.

We've already discussed that football and basketball are completely different, as the rankings have a direct impact on who wins the title, they don't in basketball....

 

Duke should never have moved up at all.

You are clearly in the minority on this one.

 

How much do you think UNC will move up tomorrow? How much should they move up?

Being that they got throttled, I think it's unlikely.

Please show me where UK broke rules since Cal has been here.

Who said anything about broken rules?

So you are saying UK is making a mockery of the rules? Please explain, you talk about my feelings toward Duke yet you claim UK is doing something Wong and your hatred for UK is well known. Don't preach to me about hating teams.

 

You want to talk about why they should bash Duke? First off I didn't say they should bash them, although there are reasons to do so, their coach is a hypocrite. Let's talk about one and dones and what coach K said about them when Wall was being recruited. Coach K was asked about why he didn't recruit wall and he said he doesn't believe in the one and done players and will never recruit them and then only a couple months later he is busted recruiting just that type of player. So don't act as if he doesn't do that, he is a hypocrite.

 

You act as if Duke plays in the toughest conference which is false. You act as if they are the only ones that win in bunches...doesn't UK do that since Cal has been here? Don't feed me bs, I can see right through it.

 

Show me these Coach K quotes.....please.

 

Year in and year out, the ACC is in the discussion for toughest conferences. Coach K has been a mainstay, and winning for over 30 years. Coach Cal, is (was, at this point), lightning hot....but that has dwindled with the last two seasons unfolding. Everyone knows I hate UK, but I don't often start threads about them.......I am sure I rarely, if ever, reference them in a Duke thread that Duke is playing someone else.