January 24, 201412 yr I don't know how to make this succinct. W/ the wave of one and dones, and the high schoolers before that, I got to thinking. If you had to make a starting lineup out of the best 3 year players, 2 year players, one and doners, and high schoolers what would they look like? Which is the best team? I haven't done enough research, so I'll start and people can fill in the blanks. High Schoolers PG - 2G - Kobe Bryant SF - PF - Kevin Garnett C - Moses Malone 1 and done PG - Kyrie Irving 2G - SF - Kevin Durant PF - C - Anthony Davis 2 Year (Sophs or Redshirts) PG - Magic Johnson 2G - Allen Iverson (he was a 2g dressed as a PG) SF - PF - C - 3 year (Jrs or Redshirt Sophs) PG - 2G - Michael Jordan SF - PF - C - To answer your original question, I think this discussion would be best to be split in to multiple threads. Too much confusion trying to lump them all together here. :thumb: The more threads the better.
January 24, 201412 yr I'm thinking Shaq at the Center spot on the JR squad. Didn't Shaq only play two years?
January 24, 201412 yr While I know projecting forward we may go with Kyrie Irving for the one and done slot, but for a career Stephon Marburry deserves some consideration. I'll take John Wall over Irving .
January 24, 201412 yr Didn't Shaq only play two years? Three years. Shaquille O'Neal Stats | College Basketball at Sports-Reference.com
January 25, 201412 yr You mean other than the fact Wall is the best player on a playoff team and kyries team won't sniff playoff.
January 25, 201412 yr You mean other than the fact Wall is the best player on a playoff team and kyries team won't sniff playoff. 1. Teams in the East make the playoffs by default. The Wizards are 21-21. Good enough for 2 1/2 games out of first in the West and good enough for 1 game out of home court advantage in the East. It's the Heat and the Pacers in the East. Everything else is arbitrary. I can't have a discussion about teams from the East and playoffs. (Richard Sherman voice) DON'T YOU EVER TALK TO ME ABOUT PLAYOFF TEAMS FROM THE EAST!!!!!! 2. Cavaliers Roster: [TABLE=class: tablehead] [TR=class: oddrow player-46-2991473] [TD]15[/TD] [TD=class: sortcell]Anthony Bennett[/TD] [TD]SF[/TD] [TD]20[/TD] [TD]6-8[/TD] [TD]259[/TD] [TD]UNLV[/TD] [TD]$5,324,280[/TD] [/TR] [TR=class: evenrow player-46-3971] [TD]6[/TD] [TD=class: sortcell]Earl Clark[/TD] [TD]SF[/TD] [TD]26[/TD] [TD]6-10[/TD] [TD]234[/TD] [TD]Louisville[/TD] [TD]$4,250,000[/TD] [/TR] [TR=class: oddrow player-46-2489716] [TD]8[/TD] [TD=class: sortcell]Matthew Dellavedova[/TD] [TD]SG[/TD] [TD]23[/TD] [TD]6-4[/TD] [TD]200[/TD] [TD]Saint Mary's[/TD] [TD]$490,180[/TD] [/TR] [TR=class: evenrow player-46-2429] [TD]9[/TD] [TD=class: sortcell]Luol Deng[/TD] [TD]SF[/TD] [TD]28[/TD] [TD]6-9[/TD] [TD]220[/TD] [TD]Duke[/TD] [TD]$14,275,000[/TD] [/TR] [TR=class: oddrow player-46-2531185] [TD]30[/TD] [TD=class: sortcell]Carrick Felix[/TD] [TD]SG[/TD] [TD]23[/TD] [TD]6-6[/TD] [TD]201[/TD] [TD]Arizona State[/TD] [TD]$510,000[/TD] [/TR] [TR=class: evenrow player-46-4232] [TD]33[/TD] [TD=class: sortcell]Alonzo Gee[/TD] [TD]SF[/TD] [TD]26[/TD] [TD]6-6[/TD] [TD]225[/TD] [TD]Alabama[/TD] [TD]$3,250,000[/TD] [/TR] [TR=class: oddrow player-46-6442] [TD]2[/TD] [TD=class: sortcell]Kyrie Irving[/TD] [TD]PG[/TD] [TD]21[/TD] [TD]6-3[/TD] [TD]193[/TD] [TD]Duke[/TD] [TD]$5,607,240[/TD] [/TR] [TR=class: evenrow player-46-2768] [TD]1[/TD] [TD=class: sortcell]Jarrett Jack[/TD] [TD]PG[/TD] [TD]30[/TD] [TD]6-3[/TD] [TD]200[/TD] [TD]Georgia Tech[/TD] [TD]$6,300,000[/TD] [/TR] [TR=class: oddrow player-46-2959745] [TD]10[/TD] [TD=class: sortcell]Sergey Karasev[/TD] [TD]SG[/TD] [TD]20[/TD] [TD]6-7[/TD] [TD]196[/TD] [TD] [/TD] [TD]$1,467,840[/TD] [/TR] [TR=class: evenrow player-46-2778] [TD]0[/TD] [TD=class: sortcell]C.J. Miles[/TD] [TD]SG[/TD] [TD]26[/TD] [TD]6-6[/TD] [TD]231[/TD] [TD] [/TD] [TD]$2,225,000[/TD] [/TR] [TR=class: oddrow player-46-6647] [TD]14[/TD] [TD=class: sortcell]Henry Sims[/TD] [TD]C[/TD] [TD]23[/TD] [TD]6-10[/TD] [TD]248[/TD] [TD]Georgetown[/TD] [TD]$788,872[/TD] [/TR] [TR=class: evenrow player-46-6474] [TD]13[/TD] [TD=class: sortcell]Tristan Thompson[/TD] [TD]PF[/TD] [TD]22[/TD] [TD]6-9[/TD] [TD]238[/TD] [TD]Texas[/TD] [TD]$4,062,000[/TD] [/TR] [TR=class: oddrow player-46-2419] [TD]17[/TD] [TD=class: sortcell]Anderson Varejao[/TD] [TD]C[/TD] [TD]31[/TD] [TD]6-11[/TD] [TD]267[/TD] [TD] [/TD] [TD]$9,036,364[/TD] [/TR] [TR=class: evenrow player-46-6628] [TD]3[/TD] [TD=class: sortcell]Dion Waiters[/TD] [TD]SG[/TD] [TD]22[/TD] [TD]6-4[/TD] [TD]225[/TD] [TD]Syracuse[/TD] [TD]$3,894,240[/TD] [/TR] [TR=class: oddrow player-46-6631] [TD]40[/TD] [TD=class: sortcell]Tyler Zeller[/TD] [TD]C[/TD] [TD]24[/TD] [TD]7-0[/TD] [TD]253[/TD] [TD]North Carolina[/TD] [TD]$1,633,440[/TD] [/TR] [/TABLE] 3. Wizards Roster: [TABLE=class: tablehead] [TR=class: oddrow player-46-2426] [TD]1[/TD] [TD=class: sortcell]Trevor Ariza[/TD] [TD]SF[/TD] [TD]28[/TD] [TD]6-8[/TD] [TD]220[/TD] [TD]UCLA[/TD] [TD]$7,727,280[/TD] [/TR] [TR=class: evenrow player-46-6580] [TD]3[/TD] [TD=class: sortcell]Bradley Beal[/TD] [TD]SG[/TD] [TD]20[/TD] [TD]6-5[/TD] [TD]207[/TD] [TD]Florida[/TD] [TD]$4,319,280[/TD] [/TR] [TR=class: oddrow player-46-4270] [TD]35[/TD] [TD=class: sortcell]Trevor Booker[/TD] [TD]PF[/TD] [TD]26[/TD] [TD]6-8[/TD] [TD]235[/TD] [TD]Clemson[/TD] [TD]$2,350,820[/TD] [/TR] [TR=class: evenrow player-46-2758] [TD]4[/TD] [TD=class: sortcell]Marcin Gortat[/TD] [TD]C[/TD] [TD]29[/TD] [TD]6-11[/TD] [TD]240[/TD] [TD] [/TD] [TD]$7,727,280[/TD] [/TR] [TR=class: oddrow player-46-308] [TD]7[/TD] [TD=class: sortcell]Al Harrington[/TD] [TD]PF[/TD] [TD]33[/TD] [TD]6-9[/TD] [TD]245[/TD] [TD] [/TD] [TD]$884,293[/TD] [/TR] [TR=class: evenrow player-46-1713] [TD]42[/TD] [TD=class: sortcell]Nene Hilario[/TD] [TD]PF[/TD] [TD]31[/TD] [TD]6-11[/TD] [TD]250[/TD] [TD] [/TD] [TD]$13,000,000[/TD] [/TR] [TR=class: oddrow player-46-4001] [TD]6[/TD] [TD=class: sortcell]Eric Maynor[/TD] [TD]PG[/TD] [TD]26[/TD] [TD]6-3[/TD] [TD]175[/TD] [TD]Virginia Commonwealth[/TD] [TD]$2,016,000[/TD] [/TR] [TR=class: evenrow player-46-2594922] [TD]22[/TD] [TD=class: sortcell]Otto Porter Jr.[/TD] [TD]SF[/TD] [TD]20[/TD] [TD]6-8[/TD] [TD]198[/TD] [TD]Georgetown[/TD] [TD]$4,278,000[/TD] [/TR] [TR=class: oddrow player-46-2488660] [TD]14[/TD] [TD=class: sortcell]Glen Rice Jr.[/TD] [TD]SG[/TD] [TD]23[/TD] [TD]6-6[/TD] [TD]206[/TD] [TD]Georgia Tech[/TD] [TD]$490,180[/TD] [/TR] [TR=class: evenrow player-46-4289] [TD]13[/TD] [TD=class: sortcell]Kevin Seraphin[/TD] [TD]C[/TD] [TD]24[/TD] [TD]6-10[/TD] [TD]278[/TD] [TD] [/TD] [TD]$2,761,114[/TD] [/TR] [TR=class: oddrow player-46-6470] [TD]31[/TD] [TD=class: sortcell]Chris Singleton[/TD] [TD]SF[/TD] [TD]24[/TD] [TD]6-9[/TD] [TD]228[/TD] [TD]Florida State[/TD] [TD]$1,618,680[/TD] [/TR] [TR=class: evenrow player-46-4023] [TD]17[/TD] [TD=class: sortcell]Garrett Temple[/TD] [TD]SG[/TD] [TD]27[/TD] [TD]6-6[/TD] [TD]195[/TD] [TD]LSU[/TD] [TD]$884,293[/TD] [/TR] [TR=class: oddrow player-46-4165] [TD]24[/TD] [TD=class: sortcell]Jan Vesely[/TD] [TD]PF[/TD] [TD]23[/TD] [TD]7-0[/TD] [TD]242[/TD] [TD] [/TD] [TD]$3,340,920[/TD] [/TR] [TR=class: evenrow player-46-4237] [TD]2[/TD] [TD=class: sortcell]John Wall[/TD] [TD]PG[/TD] [TD]23[/TD] [TD]6-4[/TD] [TD]195[/TD] [TD]Kentucky[/TD] [TD]$7,459,925[/TD] [/TR] [TR=class: oddrow player-46-2795] [TD]9[/TD] [TD=class: sortcell]Martell Webster[/TD] [TD]SF[/TD] [TD]27[/TD] [TD]6-7[/TD] [TD]230[/TD] [TD][/TD] [TD]$5,150,000[/TD] [/TR] [/TABLE]
January 25, 201412 yr So doesn't that make the argument worse for Irving that he can't lead a team to playoffs in the weak East ? Can we at least agree its a joke team USA left Wall off 28 man roster for Deron Williams.
January 25, 201412 yr So doesn't that make the argument worse for Irving that he can't lead a team to playoffs in the weak East ? Can we at least agree its a joke team USA left Wall off 28 man roster for Deron Williams. No. Washington has a better roster than Cleveland. Switch teams between the two and not a lot changes. They both suck and Cleveland sucks a whole lot more than Washington. Wall is more athletic than KI but KI is by far the better basketball player. Yes. Wall is having a great year. I'd take him over Williams.
January 25, 201412 yr No. Washington has a better roster than Cleveland. Switch teams between the two and not a lot changes. They both suck and Cleveland sucks a whole lot more than Washington. Wall is more athletic than KI but KI is by far the better basketball player. Yes. Wall is having a great year. I'd take him over Williams. If give kyrie the advantage in shooting obviously. But I don't think there is another area where he is better than Wall. Wall also improved his shot this year still has a lot of work to do. But wizards showed last year how much better they are with Wall compared to without . But I am glad we could agree on something .:dancingpa
January 27, 201412 yr If give kyrie the advantage in shooting obviously. But I don't think there is another area where he is better than Wall. Wall also improved his shot this year still has a lot of work to do. But wizards showed last year how much better they are with Wall compared to without . But I am glad we could agree on something .:dancingpa I think Wall is the better player too. Yeah, Irving has a much better shot and is a better scorer in general (not by much), but Wall is better at distributing, playing defense, rebounding, etc. Also, I don't think the Wizards roster is much better than the Cavs to be honest.
January 27, 201412 yr I think Wall is the better player too. Yeah, Irving has a much better shot and is a better scorer in general (not by much), but Wall is better at distributing, playing defense, rebounding, etc. Also, I don't think the Wizards roster is much better than the Cavs to be honest. And you and Lipton Bash are in the minority nationwide as well. I haven't heard hardly many people say that Wall is better than KI. And look over those rosters again. The Cavs just got Deng....the Wizards have Ariza, Webster, Nene, Beal....the Cavs have Varejao, Thompson and Bennett. It ain't even close who has the better roster. The Cavs are HORRIBLE.....
January 27, 201412 yr Kyrie Irving at the PG for the one and dones. No way Wall gets it over KI. For the record on their stats this year. Irving - 21.5 ppg 6.2 apg 3 rpg 1.2spg Wall- 20.0 ppg 8.5apg 4.3 rpg 1.9spg
January 27, 201412 yr And you and Lipton Bash are in the minority nationwide as well. I haven't heard hardly many people say that Wall is better than KI. And look over those rosters again. The Cavs just got Deng....the Wizards have Ariza, Webster, Nene, Beal....the Cavs have Varejao, Thompson and Bennett. It ain't even close who has the better roster. The Cavs are HORRIBLE..... If you watched TNT last week there was a discussion on if Wall should be starting All Star game over Irving. It's a fan vote so they weren't going to complain but off merit a few thought Wall should starting Yes the cavs stink but before the season most expert predicted the Cavs to finish ahead of the Wizards. I could go back to old threads on here and some thought the same here as well. Wall makes his teammates better, Irving hasn't got there yet. Wall is the superior defender and is better at getting into the lane and finishing.
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