I'm with LB on the issue of F-bombs. Doesn't get my dander up unless it's in a degrading manner. I've got more problems with a coach that says "you stink" than I do with a coach that says "make the f-ing play."

Wow that's SAD!!!!

Wow that's SAD!!!!

 

Which do you think is worse to say to a kid:

 

"You suck!"

 

"Make the effing play!"

Which do you think is worse to say to a kid:

 

"You suck!"

 

"Make the effing play!"

First you stink is what you said, but really you should just stop your just showing your a part of the problem.

First you stink is what you said, but really you should just stop your just showing your a part of the problem.

 

You can't answer a simple question?

Which do you think is worse to say to a kid:

 

"You suck!"

 

"Make the effing play!"

 

Neither are necessary. What would you think if another school employee, say a lunch lady told your kid to eat her effing lunch? Or a teacher or bus driver used profanity? For some reason coaches sometimes are held to much different standards. That said, I would take the second statement any day over the personal attack.

You can't answer a simple question?

It's a childish question. Neither is necessary. My kids would try to run through a brick wall for me if I asked them to. And not once over the years have they ever heard a personal attack or been cussed at by me or any of our coaches. Either approach shows a lack of personal discipline or a lack of effective vocabulary. When you have no clue what your talking about just blurt out the F-Bomb and then that will really get the kid to understand exactly what your trying to get across to them? Get real all that does is make the player have less respect for you as a person as well as a coach.

LB, how do you choose to pick the f-bomb comment to focus on? Skim over the actual issue that Pick6 and I have talked about on here several times...personal attacks, demeaning comments, intimidation, bullying? You think I am worried about my daughter having the f-bomb said to her? You think being pushed to do well is the issue at hand with Patti (either in basketball or softball)? No!! My kid pushes herself harder than Patti could ever begin to think about pushing her. It is the verbal attacks or the verbal bashing done to players either about themselves or their teammates that is wrong, along with so many other things too long to mention. Always has been wrong, always will be wrong. Unfortunately it has been accepted as the "coaching norm" by most and excuses continue to be made for coaches like Patti.

 

I know she's not done anything personal to you or to your daughter. I felt the same way when I was pre-warned by several about her coaching style before Haylee played for her. I said "well she hasn't done that to us".....guess what, it eventually happens! Her other whipping girls were gone and the intimidation had to fall on someone. Guess once you are in the program for 4 years, they figure you are good to go with the treatment and can do/say what they want at will. Bet they see now that doesn't work in this house. Yet their egos were too big to admit fault when we first addressed this directly with them. They are not at fault for anything, really sit down and talk to them for longer than your delivery route probably affords you and you'll catch on.....or better yet, see if NCC will hire them & bring along their winning ways. Then get back to me on how you think things are going couple years from now. Just do me a favor, please stop skimming over the actual coaching issue some people have with her; either address it all or not at all.

 

I think I addressed those in post #31

 

A little humility never hurt nobody, but there is a fine line. When it comes to demeaning & degrading, I would agree there is no place for these.

Not trying to be disrespectful but I disagree with both your points. From a coaching perspective I have Never felt like I couldn't get my point across without using the F-Bomb. A coach that curses means either they a lack of discipline or a lack of vocabulary you decide. And yes I have been fortunate enough to coach many kids who believe it or not their parents have actually taken the time to raise them right and they do not use that kind of language and what a disgrace it would be for those kids to be hearing F-Bombs from their coaches. Believe it or not there is still right and wrong in this world and in coaching either your a force for one or the other. I choose to be a force for what is right and my kids will never be subjected to that kind of language from myself or any of our coaches.

 

None taken.

 

Also, I'm not saying I would use this type of language, although there are have been times I've wanted to let one rip. :sssh:

It's a childish question. Neither is necessary. My kids would try to run through a brick wall for me if I asked them to. And not once over the years have they ever heard a personal attack or been cussed at by me or any of our coaches. Either approach shows a lack of personal discipline or a lack of effective vocabulary. When you have no clue what your talking about just blurt out the F-Bomb and then that will really get the kid to understand exactly what your trying to get across to them? Get real all that does is make the player have less respect for you as a person as well as a coach.

 

 

We agree that you would never say either. Noted.

 

Now, again, which one do you consider to be worse?

Heard they are already interviewing. Any names in the mix?

We agree that you would never say either. Noted.

 

Now, again, which one do you consider to be worse?

From a coaching perspective I really do find both to be equally wrong.

I think we need to focus on the new hire. Feel free to start a new thread about the coaching search but limit that thread to the coaching search and not the former coach.