You don't think the full-length, untinted glass windows gave him a clear enough view of a naked person who was close enough to them to bang on them?

 

And you don't see the pillars that might obstruct his view? We don't know exactly what happened or where the naked person went yet you act like you do.

 

Is it normal procedure to repond to a person in distress with your gun drawn ON the person in distress?

 

He didn't say he was in distress. He provided one option out of a hundred reasonable options as to why the officer went outside.

Sure. The problem is that too many have already reached a conclusion of wrong-doing against the police officer.

 

That I understand. And I even said that I don't necessarily disagree with the shooting once the student continued to advance even after the officer retreated as far as he did. However, if the officer's own actions are what put him in the postition to have to that call, then he has reponsibilities to the student, the public, fellow officers and himself to make sure that is what had to happen. The biggest question that I think needs to be answered is why he felt he needed to immediately respond with his gun drawn rather than wait for the other officer, who was in the building?

And you don't see the pillars that might obstruct his view? We don't know exactly what happened or where the naked person went yet you act like you do.

 

The student was banging on the doors and windows--not hiding behind the pillars. That has been established in all of the articles and reports.

He didn't say he was in distress. He provided one option out of a hundred reasonable options as to why the officer went outside.

 

And I'm pointing out that he didn't think the guy was in distress or he wouldn't have went outside with his gun drawn on the student. Fair enough assessment?

 

The student was banging on the doors and windows--not hiding behind the pillars. That has been established in all of the articles and reports.

 

And all articles give all the details right? The media would never get something wrong.

 

You are telling me by reading articles you know the kid never once disappeared from the officers view?

And all articles give all the details right? The media would never get something wrong.

 

You are telling me by reading articles you know the kid never once disappeared from the officers view?

 

He was naked, banging on the windows. Where was he hiding a weapon that caused the officer to respond with gun drawn? If he thought he was going to be in enough danger to need to draw his gun shouldn't he have waited on his backup who was in the same building with him and who was on his way? This is not a guy that was refusing to show his hands and had a place to hide stuff.

 

And I'm pointing out that he didn't think the guy was in distress or he wouldn't have went outside with his gun drawn on the student. Fair enough assessment?

 

I don't know because I wasn't in his shoes. What you fail to realize is that you don't really know all that much about what happened yet you would rather criticize the officer for his actions than the naked guy who attacked two people and was high on LSD, banging on the police station windows. And to top it off, he refused to follow police commands once confronted by the officer. Does that person not deserve most of the blame for the outcome?

 

He was naked, banging on the windows. Where was he hiding a weapon that caused the officer to respond with gun drawn? If he thought he was going to be in enough danger to need to draw his gun shouldn't he have waited on his backup who was in the same building with him and who was on his way? This is not a guy that was refusing to show his hands and had a place to hide stuff.

 

How do you know? You WERE NOT THERE. I can't make that more clear. Could you hide a small knife in your hands? I could.

 

Again there are hundreds of reasons he might not have waited. If he waits and someone gets hurt, he's going to be called a coward by everyone and fired.

Give a police officer these facts and see what their response would be

 

 

1. A person is under the influence of a powerful mind altering illegal drug

 

2. He was naked in a public place beating on the door of the police department

 

3. He failed to comply with loud and clear verbal commands

 

4. He rushed towards the officer who had his service pistol drawn causing the officer to fear for his life and use deadly force to stop a threat to his life.

 

 

What would YOUR response be?

Is it normal procedure to repond to a person in distress with your gun drawn ON the person in distress?

 

First off the article doesn't say he had the weapon pointed at the suspect only that he had his weapon drawn. Not that the article is anything worth referencing anyway, because you can tell which way the article is spinning after the first paragraph.

There's a million scenarios and hypothetical's that if told to a dumb enough sympathetic jury this guy will spend several years behind bars, its getting to where its a no win situation to defend those who wont or cant defend their selves. Policing and Military force has changed so much in the last 50 years, call me crazy but I believe in beating the wife beating thief on the way to the police car, I'm a fan of waterboarding. Hell, my opinion is this kids family should be grateful they get to have an open casket, if he banged on my door I would've put two in his face and been tempted to do the same to whoever raised him...

 

First off the article doesn't say he had the weapon pointed at the suspect only that he had his weapon drawn. Not that the article is anything worth referencing anyway, because you can tell which way the article is spinning after the first paragraph.

There's a million scenarios and hypothetical's that if told to a dumb enough sympathetic jury this guy will spend several years behind bars, its getting to where its a no win situation to defend those who wont or cant defend their selves. Policing and Military force has changed so much in the last 50 years, call me crazy but I believe in beating the wife beating thief on the way to the police car, I'm a fan of waterboarding. Hell, my opinion is this kids family should be grateful they get to have an open casket, if he banged on my door I would've put two in his face and been tempted to do the same to whoever raised him...

 

That brings up an interesting point.

 

What would a reasonable person (not a police officer) do if they walked outside and naked man started walking towards them and then attacked them or lunged at them?

How do you know? You WERE NOT THERE. I can't make that more clear. Could you hide a small knife in your hands? I could.

 

Again there are hundreds of reasons he might not have waited. If he waits and someone gets hurt, he's going to be called a coward by everyone and fired.

 

From the campus police policybook:

A copy of the university’s weapons policy, released to The Associated Press in response to an open records request, shows an officer’s actions in cases where force is necessary should be based on how much a suspect resists. Deadly force is justified only when a suspect has the intent, ability and opportunity to kill or injure someone else, the policy states.

 

The policy says that an officer’s attempt to control a situation “should match (the) level of resistance then move up or down as resistance changes.” But Ayers declined comment on how the guidelines are interpreted when an officer is confronted by someone who doesn’t have a weapon, yet could present a threat.

 

In the video the student was advancing with his arms out to his sides and his palms open. Do you not think that makes it obvious that he did not have a concealed weapon? Especially since he was naked and had no pockets or clothing to conceal it in?

That brings up an interesting point.

 

What would a reasonable person (not a police officer) do if they walked outside and naked man started walking towards them and then attacked them or lunged at them?

 

Not sure I'd be considered "reasonable" but I would not advise getting juiced up, naked and decide to beat on my door...

That brings up an interesting point.

 

What would a reasonable person (not a police officer) do if they walked outside and naked man started walking towards them and then attacked them or lunged at them?

 

Would a reasonable person go outside to begin with if the person was naked and banging on their door? I wouldn't. I own multiple firearms and would protect myself but I'd hate to have to live with the fact that I elevated the confrontation to the point that someone lost their life when neither I nor anyone else was in any immediate danger.