I was going to comment, after reading Scribe's post I have nothing to further to say... he speaks for me on this one...

I was going to comment' date=' after reading Scribe's post I have nothing to further to say... he speaks for me on this one...[/quote']

 

I wish I could do that but I enjoy the debating too much. :lol:

You say you aren't going to blindly accept the officers actions but you blindly accept that the naked guy was not a threat. How do you know he wasn't a threat? It is a college campus it's not like the kid was miles away from other people. He was in close proximity to other people. Other people he attempted to assault.

 

You don't know if it was obvious he wasn't carrying a weapon. The video doesn't even show the entire incident which means the officer likely didn't know where the kid was at all times. He knew a naked man was banging on the police station doors or windows. He also didn't know what else was outside waiting for him. He doesn't have to put unnecessary risk on himself because he is a police officer. He did not know what he was walking into most likely so he had his best tool out. What if he walked outside with pepper spray and the kid is standing there with a knife or gun? He's in a fight for his life then and he is holding a useless can of pepper spray.

 

You say he didn't know the kid was high. Um...naked...banging on police station windows...ignoring police commands...he probably thought he was on bath salts or PCP.

 

You keep saying he wasn't an immediate threat but you don't know that. Have you been to that campus? Do you know how far away he was from other people? Not very far considering some heard the officer yelling at him.

 

And how was no one in immediate danger? Was the Officer not in danger when he stepped Out? The kid who was naked and high completely ignored his commands. Does the officers safety not matter?

 

I have some questions.

 

Why is LSD being used on campus so accepted that very few even care he was on it?

 

Where did he get it? Is it common for students here to use it? Why did his friends not call for help when he ran off naked and high attacking people? Did they not care or were they concerned about getting in trouble because they were high?

 

It said in the report that they student was outside, alone. There were no other students around the student. How was he a threat to the officer or any other bystanders at that point?

 

As for not being able to know if the student had a weapon: HE WAS NAKED. Where was he going to keep it? It also says in the report that when he continually approached the officer he had his arms out and his palms open. And again, if the officer was in that much fear for his life why not wait the extra minute for the backup that he had called for to arrive?

 

The fact that the kid was on LSD is not really relevent. The officer has a job to protect the public. This is not a case where the student was in the process of attacking someone else. He was banging on the door and windows. If the officer chooses to wait on his backup to confront a naked, 5'7" 140 pound man then an 18 year old is in jail or at worst the hospital today instead of in the ground.

 

For reference, here is a photo of the front of the police station. He should have had a pretty good view of the guy to be able to determine his threat level before stepping outside.

 

I wish I could do that but I enjoy the debating too much. :lol:

Normally I do too... The post got too long and I lost interest. But keep up the good fight, too much scrutiny on those that protect others with their lives (Military and civilian) only to be second guessed at every turn. Most of the time those doing the second guessing have no idea what it feels like to be put in those types of positions...

Could you image the backlash had the officer waited inside "for backup" and the guy ran off and ended up injurying or killing somebody?

Normally I do too... The post got too long and I lost interest. But keep up the good fight, too much scrutiny on those that protect others with their lives (Military and civilian) only to be second guessed at every turn. Most of the time those doing the second guessing have no idea what it feels like to be put in those types of positions...

 

When they shoot and kill one of those that they are charged to protect they deserve the scrutiny. In fact, they should welcome it. Before using deadly force they should absolutely be sure that their actions are justified and will pass any scrutiny.

Seems justified to me, one less stupid person on this world, on less person we have to spend $$ in prison cause they are stupid.

When they shoot and kill one of those that they are charged to protect they deserve the scrutiny. In fact, they should welcome it. Before using deadly force they should absolutely be sure that their actions are justified and will pass any scrutiny.

 

Sure. The problem is that too many have already reached a conclusion of wrong-doing against the police officer.

 

It said in the report that they student was outside, alone. There were no other students around the student. How was he a threat to the officer or any other bystanders at that point?

 

As for not being able to know if the student had a weapon: HE WAS NAKED. Where was he going to keep it? It also says in the report that when he continually approached the officer he had his arms out and his palms open. And again, if the officer was in that much fear for his life why not wait the extra minute for the backup that he had called for to arrive?

 

The fact that the kid was on LSD is not really relevent. The officer has a job to protect the public. This is not a case where the student was in the process of attacking someone else. He was banging on the door and windows. If the officer chooses to wait on his backup to confront a naked, 5'7" 140 pound man then an 18 year old is in jail or at worst the hospital today instead of in the ground.

 

For reference, here is a photo of the front of the police station. He should have had a pretty good view of the guy to be able to determine his threat level before stepping outside.

 

 

Again, you were not there. And your picture does nothing but make believe it was very easy for the kid to be hidden from the officers view while he was inside. If you think that picture shows he had a clear view you are crazy.

 

And like I already said, just because there was no one in the officers view that doesn't mean there was no one around. When the officer yelled at the guy other people heard it so there had to be people close by. The officer is paid to protect people and who knows, by goin outside he might have saved someone else's life. What if, like TBG said, the officer stayed inside and the kid ran off and injured or killed an innocent student. He'd be fired for being a coward and not taking action.

When they shoot and kill one of those that they are charged to protect they deserve the scrutiny. In fact, they should welcome it. Before using deadly force they should absolutely be sure that their actions are justified and will pass any scrutiny.

 

Guarantee you've never even remotely been in a situation where you had to make a life or death decision. You keep throwing hypothetical's around like a slick haired Georgia lawyer... put yourself in his position and after you finish pee squirting, try to think what he was thinking, maybe he thought the person was in trouble, maybe he thought he was a student who was being hazed, sexually abused or robbed. Maybe he answered the door because the guy was beating on it, had he not answered the door and something like I mentioned above was happening to the student you'd (by you I mean society) have a post up calling for his job for not answering the door... Once the guy kept coming toward him, the officer has a right to defend himself with deadly force, had he used his pepper spray and it failed like it probably would have the criminal could have ate his face and seasoned it with pepper spray. Then all would have been well in the world...

 

When they shoot and kill one of those that they are charged to protect they deserve the scrutiny. In fact, they should welcome it. Before using deadly force they should absolutely be sure that their actions are justified and will pass any scrutiny.

 

Do you really want officers thinking about scrutiny if they have to use deadly force to save your life or one of your family members?

Do you really want officers thinking about scrutiny if they have to use deadly force to save your life or one of your family members?

 

If they are to the point that they have decided that the use of deadly force is warranted then I would hope that they had the training to determine that it was the ONLY choice.

Again, you were not there. And your picture does nothing but make believe it was very easy for the kid to be hidden from the officers view while he was inside. If you think that picture shows he had a clear view you are crazy.

And like I already said, just because there was no one in the officers view that doesn't mean there was no one around. When the officer yelled at the guy other people heard it so there had to be people close by. The officer is paid to protect people and who knows, by goin outside he might have saved someone else's life. What if, like TBG said, the officer stayed inside and the kid ran off and injured or killed an innocent student. He'd be fired for being a coward and not taking action.

 

You don't think the full-length, untinted glass windows gave him a clear enough view of a naked person who was close enough to them to bang on them?

Do you really want officers thinking about scrutiny if they have to use deadly force to save your life or one of your family members?

A seasoned Marine told me and those with me something I'll never forget before we went on our first push through Iraq. He said its better to be tried by 12 than carried by 6... That mentality has kept many Marines alive, it's given the media lots to scrutinize about as well...

Guarantee you've never even remotely been in a situation where you had to make a life or death decision. You keep throwing hypothetical's around like a slick haired Georgia lawyer... put yourself in his position and after you finish pee squirting, try to think what he was thinking, maybe he thought the person was in trouble, maybe he thought he was a student who was being hazed, sexually abused or robbed. Maybe he answered the door because he the guy was beating on it, had he not answered the door and something like I mentioned above was happening to the student you'd (by you I mean society) have a post up calling for his job for not answering the door... Once the guy kept coming toward him, the officer has a right to defend himself with deadly force, had he used his pepper spray and it failed like it probably would have the criminal could have ate his face and seasoned it with pepper spray. Then all would have been well in the world...

 

Is it normal procedure to repond to a person in distress with your gun drawn ON the person in distress?