August 23, 201214 yr If you read the scoring explanation, they do have a stipulation that an independent gets the 5 points if they finished the AP Poll ahead of two major conference champions. Not sure if that would affect Dayton much or not. Seems reasonable, but I've never really cared for the "major conference" term as it tends to get applied in basketball.
August 23, 201214 yr Author 22 (t) - Penn 22 (t) - Princeton 20 (t) - Utah 20 (t) - Purdue 19 - Memphis 18 - Temple 17 - Marquette 16 - Villanova 15 - Ohio State 14 - UNLV 13 - Michigan 12 - Georgetown 11 - Michigan State
August 23, 201214 yr By my figuring, UK should end up somewhere around 800 points. I got 810, but could be off a few points as I wasn't sure how the sanctions would end up tallying, and I'm not 100% sure on the AA's and top 10 picks. But, 810 should be pretty close. That took a while, so I'm thinking I won't be figuring anyone else. :lol: I think the end results might be a surprise to some. The last time they did something like this was prior to Cal's current run. Cal has netted the Cats a lot of points in his 3 seasons. Edited August 23, 201214 yr by 5wide
August 23, 201214 yr I'm not sure what the criteria are for first and second team AA's, since there are various lists - AP, NCAA, etc. Which do they go by or do they all count? And, I'm also not sure about the particulars of any teams past NCAA sanctions. I know UCLA has some, but I'm not sure how many nor what they were. As is, I'm predicting... 1. North Carolina 2. UCLA 3. Kentucky 4. Duke 5. Kansas
August 24, 201214 yr I'm not sure what the criteria are for first and second team AA's, since there are various lists - AP, NCAA, etc. Which do they go by or do they all count? And, I'm also not sure about the particulars of any teams past NCAA sanctions. I know UCLA has some, but I'm not sure how many nor what they were. As is, I'm predicting... 1. North Carolina 2. UCLA 3. Kentucky 4. Duke 5. Kansas I would think those top two are accurate. Not sure if UK will be ahead of Duke, though.
August 24, 201214 yr I would think those top two are accurate. Not sure if UK will be ahead of Duke, though. I'm mentally prepared. If UK is higher than Duke then the formula is fine. If Duke is higher than UK then the formula will be garbage. Watch.
August 24, 201214 yr I'm mentally prepared. If UK is higher than Duke then the formula is fine. If Duke is higher than UK then the formula will be garbage. Watch. When I try to do the "best program" evaluation, I basically go back to the 90's. That's when I really started caring. During that time, Duke has been the premier program. I feel like what Coach K has done might eclipse what Wooden did, because it's tougher today than it was back then IMO. Carolina & Kentucky would be behind them, though I'm not sure in what order.
August 24, 201214 yr When I try to do the "best program" evaluation, I basically go back to the 90's. That's when I really started caring. During that time, Duke has been the premier program. I feel like what Coach K has done might eclipse what Wooden did, because it's tougher today than it was back then IMO. Carolina & Kentucky would be behind them, though I'm not sure in what order. It is tougher today, but 10 titles in 12 years including 7 straight from '67-73 and an 88 game win streak thrown in to boot dwarfs anything ever accomplished in college basketball. UCLA's overall record from '67-73 was 205 wins vs. 5 losses. A winning % of .976.
August 24, 201214 yr I would think those top two are accurate. Not sure if UK will be ahead of Duke, though. My first and second team AA values are estimates/guesses, and to some degree the top 10 picks. And, the sanction deductions are tougher to track down, so I could only include the ones I was sure about, with a little guesswork. As is, I'm thinking it is something like this... 1. North Carolina - ~925 (928) 2. UCLA - ~850 (858) 3. Kentucky - 810 4. Duke - ~750-800 (768) 5. Kansas - ~700-750 (708) Indiana, I'm thinking is in the 400-450 range. The AA's and sanctions, depending on how much I'm off, could possibly flip flop 3 and 4, but I think the other ones are pretty solid (the positions, if not the point totals). Of course, I may have a huge mistake in there somewhere and be off terribly. I was trying to do it quickly but be as accurate as possible in that context. Edited August 24, 201214 yr by 5wide
August 24, 201214 yr It is tougher today, but 10 titles in 12 years including 7 straight from '67-73 and an 88 game win streak thrown in to boot dwarfs anything ever accomplished in college basketball. UCLA's overall record from '67-73 was 205 wins vs. 5 losses. A winning % of .976. I certainly don't want to lessen the importance of UCLA's accomplishments. And I'm not saying I for sure feel like what Coach K has done surpasses what Wooden did. But I think an argument can be made. You certainly made a convincing one for the Bruins.
August 24, 201214 yr I certainly don't want to lessen the importance of UCLA's accomplishments. And I'm not saying I for sure feel like what Coach K has done surpasses what Wooden did. But I think an argument can be made. You certainly made a convincing one for the Bruins. I have made that argument before. Nobody is listening though. Trust me.
August 24, 201214 yr Author Guess we know now 5wide... (edited to add the rest) 10 - Arizona 9 - UConn 8 - Syracuase 7 - IU 6 - UofL 5 - Kansas 4 - Duke 3 - Kentucky 2 - UCLA 1 - UNC Edited August 24, 201214 yr by mobaar
August 24, 201214 yr I have made that argument before. Nobody is listening though. Trust me. Believe me, it's painful to make that argument. :lol:
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