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Jefferson County Public Schools has announced that all JCPS home football games scheduled for tonight will begin no earlier than 8 p.m. to avoid the heat as temperatures are expected to reach 100 today.

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Jefferson County Public Schools has announced that all JCPS home football games scheduled for tonight will begin no earlier than 8 p.m. to avoid the heat as temperatures are expected to reach 100 today.

Even when players are "in shape", they can still have problems in this heat. Fluid intake throughout the day and eating lunch will be today’s key. Hopefully these games will not start until 8-8:30.

Do you have children? Did you ever think they were doing something wrong but couldn't prove it at the time? And later on, it came out that they were doing something wrong. Were you a McCarthyist?

This is a great, great thread topic. Do we want to bring competition into schools and make that a meat market where schools are trying to win over the consumer?

You seem to think it would be a "meat market" with the meat being kids. I think you are missing the boat. The meat would be the schools trying to sell themselves (in the market) to families. That would be a GREAT thing! The schools would be FORCED to improve.

I am sure any police officer will tell you that there are people that they know are committing crimes but they cannot prove it for a court of law. But they know what is going on, just can't prove it.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/McCarthyism

Does everyone see the similarities? I think a strong case could be made for Wilsonism.:scared:

I agree--all special education students should be given vouchers to attend private schools where they can get good educations.:devil:

We do very well from many children with special needs, not that you would believe it. That, and we win in sports. Man that must get your goat. :lol:

Who decides if an advantage is unfair?

 

If I'm a basketball coach and the average height at my school is 7 feet is that an unfair advantage?

This is the public's biggest weakness IMO. Unfair has such a "wimpy" connotation. It’s not fair (cross arms and pout lips).

So, to you HS athletics is ALL about winning a state title?

 

I have 5 girl golfers with only ONE who has EVER broke 100. You won't me to sell to them that the reason they are playing golf is to win a state championship this year. That over the next 4 weeks, we are going to work so hard, they are going to each and every one shave 25 strokes off of their scores.

 

And that is the ONLY reason why they are playing HS golf.

 

That is the message you want me to send to my girls. BTW, 3 of them are MSers and 12 years old.

 

Last year, when no one had broken 110 before, our goal was not to win regional but finish top 5 in the region. We came 6 strokes away from that finishing 6th.

 

This year, our goal is for 3 to break 100 and the fourth to break 110, given us a chance at one of those two state tournament berths.

 

I don't believe that we have a chance to win state when Sacred Heart has five golfers, GIRLS remind you, that shoot in the 70's.

 

We would need to make a 100 stroke improvement from today till the first weekend in October.

So how can you compete on a "fair and balanced" playing field? Your team loses because they are not as good as the other team. It's the same course right? Same rules? If your girls cannot score as low as the other team, they lose. The only way to get around this would be to not keep score. Give everyone a slap on the back and say good job.

I believe that is Wilson Sears point that this bylaw as is, is unenforceable.

He is using that as a smoke screen. Clearify the rule so that recruiting with the offer of an advantage is illegal. Simple.

You can't. Yet, that is the very BASIS of recruiting that is happening.

 

You WILL NOT nor SHOULD NOT prevent players and parents from talking up recruiting. Yet, that is the illegal recruiting.

I'm surprise a 1st Amendment court case has not been brought forward.

Just change the rule so that it is illegal to recruit by means of offering XYZ. People should be able to talk about how well they like their school. However, they should not be able to make promises, etc.

I'm sorry I took this thread off subject...

Sears now has the light shining on him. This letter will only make things harder for him. I assume he is steaming out his ears. Could you imagine being his executive assistant right now? :fire:

Absolutely, you have that right, but the present bylaws state that if ANYONE talks to you or your child about attending that school, then that is recruiting and the school could face penalties. Do you think that happens on an almost daily basis in this state? We are not talking about what it should say but what it does say. It says ANY CITIZEN.

Then nearly EVERY school is guilty. Change the rule so those that are guilty of recruiting (by offering incentives not available to all students) are punished. Pretty simple.

All A tournament, private schools have won all of the girls All A regional basketball tournaments in NKY except one. I believe Walton won one in the early 90's and is no longer part of Region 9.

Good for them. Too bad the all A public schools have yet to step up their game.

How, then does this affect Somerset and schools like them who have little or no private school competition? Its not like in NKy where some of the best competition comes from privates in various sports. Its much easier for a Somerset or Danville, or Murray to fall in line with this thinking because it hardly affects their local regular season scheduling.

In thinking about NKY, it seems that their public schools are doing very well for themselves. I wonder if the competition has forced them to up their game. That's another thread.

The state board and the KHSAA staff set helplessly by as this happened. Perhaps another story.

Perhaps he will lead the newly formed KPSOHSAA (Kentucky Public School Owned High School Athletes Association). Good luck! :lol:

Does the Catholic High School offer the non-Catholic impact athlete significant financial aid.

This is more of the false information public schools are trying to spread about Catholic schools. It really needs to stop. We’ve answered these questions over and over. No. No. No.

If someone has proof this is happening, please report it to the KHSAA. Surely there must be proof.

Regardless, the fact that someone would want to potentially drive from 2 counties away and pay any amount for something they could get for free says a lot about what's in their own back yard.

All of the examples you give deal with protected classes, i.e. women, racial minorities, etc.

Come to think of it, private schools are the minority here! Maybe we do need protection. Ladies... I like your thinking. I agree, we need protection for the overwhelming huge group of public schools. The majority does not like want the minority has been able to create within the rules, so they want to change the rules. :lol:

For a good number of them, I think they feel it is about allowing their kids the opportunity to compete in a fair and balanced situation. And then let the chips fall where they may.

This has been discussed ad nauseum (literally). The only way to have a fair and balanced situation would be to dissolve all athletic programs.

One team/player/program will always have an advantage over another. One kid will be bigger, faster, smarter, hungrier, richer, or be better prepared than the other. One program will have more money, more kids, better facilities, better coaches, better athletes, better teachers, or better tradition than the other.

Let me start off by saying that me, my kids, my parents, my wife and her family are all from public schools. But I'm so tired of hearing the public schools crying, I'd back the private schools if they chose to leave the KHSAA and form their own league.

 

In NKY alone, you would have Cov Cath, NewCath, St. Henry, Notre Dame, Villa Madonna, Bishop Brossart, Holy Cross, Calvary, Covington Latin and a few others.

 

All future state champions could get an asterisk by their name.

 

Since the new league could drop recruiting rules, they could steal players from public schools all they like.

 

They could also invite teams from outside the state or public schools inside the state to join with them.

 

Or we could just leave things alone and quit whining.

It seems that the public schools are the ones the don't like the way the KHSAA is being run. Let them start their own league. :walk:

Many people have an address that is from a city in another county and go to school in the county they live in which is different.:thumb:

Oh no. That can't be.

IMO, I would still be embarrassed if I didn't win it every year.. Everyone made such a big deal about Mercer Co in 2a last year and I would have felt the same about them..

Luckily, you don't have to worry about being embarrassed when we lose nor happy when we win. Probably just angry. :lol:

1) These 2 teams have won the championship almost every year, so, what else is there to prove, winning it again.

We have to prove ourselves EVERY year. And EVERY year there are capable teams the offer commendable challenges.

2) These teams have the largest contingent of boys in the state, have no geographic restrictions and is located in the largest metropolitan area in the state. Wouldn't they be better suited to play teams of equal means and advantage.

Your statement is misleading at best. True, we don't limit our size (like others choose to). We don't limit our geography (like others choose to), however please be reasonable. No one is going to drive 100 miles to and from school. Any perceived advantage we have has been EARNED over the life of our school. We are not keeping other schools down. They have every opportunity to excel if they want to…

3) The cost factor of travel may be an issue, but, wouldn't they still have 5 home games each year and wouldn't some instate teams, like Male, Manual, BGreen, Highlands, Lex Catholic, etc. still schedule them some as well as them playing each other.

They would not be allowed to play us per All Tell's info.

4) Would the fanbase travel to places like Nashville, Indianapolis, Cincinnati, Cleveland, etc? How did they travel when they played MBA & how many would be going to Cincy St X, this year?.

I imagine they would.

As it stands now, it would be embarrasing not to win state unless it was to the other.

What I find embarrassing is that other schools in the state cannot field better teams to compete with Trinity and St. X more often. We play teams all the time with much better athletes (both playing and hall walkers). Male, Manual, Scott Co., Henry Clay, and Ballard have the best of the best (great facilities, athletes, school, etc). They walk out of the locker room looking like NFL teams. After playing schools like that I often shake my head in wonderment at just how we win against those teams.

During the discussion, inquiry was made as to whether the private schools would be willing to disclose the financial files of the private schools re: alumni giving, family financial statements, and the formula used by (in some cases outsourced) companies in arriving at financial aid figures.

 

In addition, their was discussion about disclosure of ACT/SAT tests (which some schools, like Trinity, were OK with, but others, like St. X, were not), admissions test results, and quarterly grade transcripts.

 

Some of those are already disclosed, others are not. Frankly, if I were a private school I wouldn't disclose them, either. I merely point out the fact as a point of further discussion.

Sounds like something an "independent investigator" would ask to receive. :lol: Of course private schools would not disclose things like alumni giving and family financial statements. Public schools know it will never be disclosed. They just asked in order to have something to point to and say, “What are you hiding?” Ludicrous.

I still think that it was a bad move on the privates not to accept this compromise. I think it will just embolden the publics to seek out the split since the vote was so unanimous.

It’s true that privates voted against Prop 2. But it was not the privates that killed it. It was a state legislative subcommittee which voted 6-0 against the “compromise”. And if the KHSAA votes for another “compromise” which aims to separate publish and privates, I would expect another 6-0 vote against.

My honest opinion… I get the feeling the legislature understands exactly what is happening. They understand there are rules on the books against the very actions public schools accuse privates of doing. Yet the KHSAA either 1) refuses to enforce the rules, or 2) can’t find wide spread infractions by private schools. When asked why the KHSAA won’t enforce the recruiting rules, they say they don’t have enough personnel to investigate. It just does not pass muster.

I would put some of the public school children up against your privates anytime...it is just that we might have 25% of the kids with the advantages of the kids in the private schools and the privates have 95% As far as sports it is the same story, the kids that have some advantages do better. It is hard to excel at a sport when you can not even get a ride home from practice.

And I would put some of the private school kids against public school kids anytime. So what? Great kids exist everywhere. Usually there is (at least) one great family member standing behind them too.

Why do so many public school supporters assume private=rich. Supporters of that equation exudes ignorance or blind aggression. You would be shocked at what private schooled kids have to go through in order to get to school in the morning, and then return home after practice in the evenings. Not to mention the Saturday meetings... Can't forget what the parents (heroes) go through in order to support their children (tuition, clothing, books, fees, lunch, rides, etc). Of course there are parents of public school kids that have the same challenges. Just don’t pretend it’s only one way.