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Anyone know how the second round games are determined? Thanks

Can you please explain how a school with 1900 kids, a top five in the state academic score, and three feeder schools with the best talent in Louisville has to "rebuild"? Should this EVER happen at a school such as Male? Aren't they one of the three elite schools, along with Manual and Ballard, in Louisville? If you have 1900 kids to pick from who is to blame when you can't win? The administration? The coaches? Kids can't use the excuse that they want to go to a "better academic" school so who is to blame for Male losing it's "golden" standard? Just curious b.c I am used to seeing Male as a power in ALL sports so this seems unacceptable to me. What are the parents and kids saying is the problem?

This was the first Estill game I've seen in a couple years. Played in a few Estill v. Breathitt games over the years and they are known for their intensity and hard hitting all the way back to the early '80's. This is the first time in 20+ years that Estill was by far the more physically dominant team. Estill dominated all aspects of this game except for the one that mattered, the scoreboard. The ball stayed on the Breathitt Co. end the entire night. Saw a little of everything this game is known for: hard hitting, great ground games, tough defense, and even a little home cookin' now and then. I had never seen a line judge make his spot on fourth downs by running up the sideline looking at the first down marker and stopping a yard short and running straight out to the hash and calling for the ball but I saw it twice this night. Then the referee had the rabbit ears and started scanning the crowd to see who was calling him out for this. Funny AND sad. Great game Estill Co.!!! You are indeed a team that belongs in the top ten of 3A this year. Enjoy it but KEEP WORKING!!!! Again, Estill DOMINATED this game, and the Channing Fugate kid is a very good back. I've heard he's a transfer from the Hazard area. If so Hazard lost a great player. Go 'Neers!!!

Retropop you are on it!! In more and more schools coaching is not getting the respect it did in the past. I've had it said to me several times, "We are paying you 60K to teach and 6K to coach. What do you think we want you to focus on?" And the administration means it. Too many demands on coaches, players, and parents makes for stressful times and high burnout. Test scores mean more than wins and losses at most schools now, and shouldn't it?

Moore has hired Yvette Smith to take Coach Meadows place. Yvette played at Moore in the mid '80's and has been the head coach at St. Francis in Louisville for the past three years. Great hire that fits the program perfectly. Couldn't have gotten a better person to replace a man who rebuilt Moore from the ground up. Coach Meadows had to resign for personal health reasons and all of Moore wishes him all the best. He will be missed dearly. On a side note, Moore will also hurt from losing 6'3" all-state prospect Ondrea Shaw. Ondrea has transfered to Oak Hill Academy in Mouth of Wilson, Va. to continue her academic and athletic careers. We also wish Ondrea the best in the future and want to let her know she will always be a Mustang.

Found this online about Lafayette and Jed Dorough. When you see who he outpitched you should know this kid was MLB quality. See if you can figure out why we have pitching limits now, and why he didn't last. This was his Jr. year and he did the same thing his Sr. year. Think he PITCHED EVERY GAME FOR LAFAYETTE but the district finals. Don Chandler had his stud and rode him. "Lafayette beats St. Xavier 5-2 in the state baseball semifinals. Junior lefthander Jed Dorough is the winning pitcher. He has 12 strikeouts and scatters six hits in improving his record to 11-0. St. X senior ace Paul Byrd gives up five hits and strikes out 11 in taking the loss. Lafayette beats Boyd County 12-1 in the finals. Dorough, who went seven innings only 15 hours earlier, starts and goes five innings before leaving with the Generals leading 9-0. Shawn Wiglesworth smacks a grand slam, Kevin Goins has a two-run homer and Todd Baxter has a solo shot to fuel the championship game rout." Jed was without a doubt the most dominant pitcher I've ever seen on the high school level. Just thought I'd share. Jed and Lafayette won the state in '89 too. Thanks for the info on Snopek. Best all-around player I ever played against or with. Mike Harris, Tates Creek/UK, was a better hitter. Took our pitcher's glove off his hand with a line drive. CRAZY!!

I guess I'll never get over it, and NO NONE OF US WANTED HIM BACK! We wanted to keep the coach that we had watched STICK BY US, not the one that used his power to manipulate the system because he knew he could. What's the old saying, do right by somebody and they'll tell someone; do wrong by someone and they'll tell ten people? Well this coach did us wrong and I guess you'd have to have been in this situation to understand it. I did well; got a scholly even after blowing an ACL my senior year, so yeah I handled the situation as best I could. But to then have this coach say in our banquet "If I'd only had this kid four years he may have been the best I've ever coached," well, I had to step back and ask, "Why didn't you coach me four years?" Because you were tired of coaching, like you told all of us but then we see you coach just as hard at the middle school level. Even a high schooler knows when he's being fed a line of crap, especially when it's forced down their throat every day. If your son had been in this situation I don't think you would have taken the lieing so light-hearted. Like you say, be a man and stand up for your beliefs. WE have talked about this at our reunions and we would have respected him IF he hadn't lied to us so blantantly. To me that makes him no good. You may feel different, but WE wanted to make sure that no one forgot that this HERO hadn't been a HERO to everyone. That was the point we were making, and if I had to sink to his level to make our point, well then I am no better than he but at least I feel better. My bottom line in the whole arguement is to not lie to and betray the trust of the young men that grow up admiring you. As I got older I realized he wasn't the perfect man that everyone made him out to be. Just hard to lose your heros, even if they are just a silly old ball coach. You never forget the feeling of being flat out lied to by someone you thought would NEVER do that to you. If he wanted to coach his son he should have told us that. We could have understood that, but lieing to a bunch of kids is a joke, especially when you know it will hurt them. Maybe you feel different and would do the same thing. If you would I feel for the kids you coach. Remember, as a coach every player is a member of your family, or at least that's the way I coach.

I think he screwed my entire class. We were freshmen, had grown up hearing all the stories about how our coach was one of the best in Ky and how we were lucky to be able to play for him. To get the sob story about how he was tired of coaching and how he couldn't give us his all and that's why he had to step down. Then to watch him for two years do nothing but criticize and backstab the new coach and staff was pathetic. And to have to go to our practice and watch him and his head asst. coaching at the middle school level EVERY day told us that the whole story about being tired of coaching was a joke. Probably had more to do with the fact that we graduated a huge senior class and had nothing but freshmen and soph's coming back We took our lumps for two years and heard about how it wouldn't be happening if our old coach was back. Then after two years to watch the way the whole small-town politics played out and our new coach, who we are very loyal to and who's become our family, run out of town on a rail. Now this is a football tale so stay with me. Our starting QB for the two years "the legend" was gone was a returning senior. The coaches son was a freshman. Guess who started QB, the third year returning starter? Nah, let's give it to my son since I left all these seniors so I could make my son a better player, why not sacrifice their last year of high school. and yes it was sacrificed. The son got hurt and sat out a game. We won by 30+ against a very good team. Son returns, we start losing. We lobby to have the senior start, but this only make the coaches mad. It was the entire situation of knowing that I had been given a less of a chance to succeed just so his son could prosper. Just like most spoiled kids though he last about two months at UK before coming home and quitting the game. I love my son more than anything in life, but I don't think I could sacrifice others this way for him. Just one opinion though.

Try this one on for size. My coach my freshman year, who is a legend in my hometown and has the field named after him, decides he's "tired of it all and if I can't give you all everything then I need to step down." Just a coincidence that his oldest son is entering the 7th grade the next year. We have a coach get hired from a different part of the state, an "outsider" if you may. The old varsity coach, and his head asst. for years who's son is entering the 7th grade also, attend all the middle school practices for two years, while at the same time criticizing everything the new varsity coach is doing. After two years the new "outsider" is let go, and guess who gets their job back? That's right, and his and his asst. boys both become four year starters at the varsity level. The coaches son won several awards his senior year and got a scholarship to UK so I guess it worked for that family, but it SUCKED for my entire class. And then to name the field after him was crazy. Almost my entire senior class turned out at the ceremony and stood with our backs to the field as a protest. We were asked why and told to get over it. But like we said, you never get over being screwed. So I guess you could say I don't like this situation of coaches leaving with their kids. The only honorable way of doing this would be telling your players a couple of years in advance, that way everyone can plan for it. But coming from a kids point, this kind of action hurts.

Now that's a name that everyone should know: Chris Snopek. What a player, but I believe the year he hit that would have had to have been 1988 when Harrison won the state b.c I believe Lafayette and Jed won it in '89, or am I totally backward and have the years reversed. Thanks for reeling in the years with me though. Jed was the toughest we faced, and funny thing was Kevin Jarvis of the Reds wasn't that great in high school. Guess Rauch wasn't either or he wouldn't have been at Morehead. What about the kid from Oldham last year?

Let's take an example that we see all the time. 1st and 3rd and the runner on first breaks for second with the pitcher in the set position. The first thing we all yell is "STEP OFF!." Why do we yell this? According to the logic being used here in throwing directly to third shouldn't a pitcher be able to spin and throw to second as he would with a pickoff move? Or is it a balk, which I assume since everyone yells "step off" first, b.c the pitcher is throwing to an unoccupied base. In my opinion the same logic applies here and the pitcher has to step off the rubber otherwise it's a balk. Other opinions?

Back in the late '80's Lafayette had a kid named Jed Durough. Tough, tough, tough. Tates Creek had Kevin Jarvis, who pitched for the Reds, and he got no pub b.c of Durough at Lafayette. Don Chandler threw this kid's arm way too much. We faced Jarvis, Lorne Frazier (Rowan Co, UK), PRP, and Harrison twice and no one, NO ONE, threw like Durough. High 80's-low 90's, great slider, and the scouts at the game when we asked if he could throw like this for seven said, "He can throw like this for 20 innings boys." Think he couldn't pass a class though, or at least some of his old teammates told me that in college. GREAT high school pitcher though. I know Lafayette won a state riding his arm, maybe two. Anyone else remember any of these kids?

Cox said in the paper the other day that he and another player for PRP moved to Lou from Taylor Co. after their freshman year.

I may be wrong, but I don't think Miller/PRP likes his boys playing other sports. They fundraise year round instead.

No, what's sad is that my best player and his mom have told me time and time again that people from St. X "talk" to them all the time. I'm sure it's b.c he has a 2.8 GPA, not that he hit .420 as a freshman this year, or that he plays football and basketball fairly well also. Funny, he nor his mom have ever said anyone has told them about X's chemistry or math departments at school, but he knows a whole lot about your ball teams. I know, I know, this stuff doesn't happen and he's only making it up. Private schools seem to be doing well even with "people like me" pulling against them. That and 20 million in new athletic fields makes it all an even field.

I believe they've been dominate when it counts, in the post season. And what happened to X? Sounds like sour grapes to me. However, it still sucks for the public schools in the 7th region.

Isn't it awesome the another private school is starting to dominate!!! The public schools will never win another thing!!!!! YES!!!

Au contraire. At the beginning of the year there was a group of parents on here just chomping at the bit to get rid of him and the principal both. I thought they were crazy then, and I am sure of it now.

I stand corrected. I am the product of an eastern KY education system and I'm way more intelligent thanmost. My apologies to the KY education system, my remarks were aimed more at my co-posters. I am sure your teachers tried their best to teach you better. I feel you would be saying the same thing no matter where you were educated. Every situation has exceptions and I am sure you could point them out several times. I'll make the statement that if colleges and pro teams have decided that it is prudent to use modern technology to help with weather forcasting then I will accept it as a useful tool. I will make future decision for my team with this in mind. You are entitled to continue to do it your way and I hope gas prices doesn't affect your teams schedule. Unfortunately I am certain it will ours since as much has been stated to me by my A.D.

And they want to get rid of him and question the way he coaches? Unbelievable!!! Guess if they practiced more and went back to losing to Harrison everyone would be happy, right Silvershadow? This coach must be awful as much stink as they were raising about him earlier this year. Wow, 3-3 against Mac and Harrison Co. and he still isn't liked. Guess the "outsider" thing just doesn't apply to eastern KY.

I KNOW the weather around here changes, but I also have two college degrees and working on a third. I can read a radar that shows rain coming from hundreds of miles away, watch it travel across the state, see yellow and red areas as well as dark green, and I KNOW it will rain. I'm not talking thunderstorms, as it seems everyone else is. I'm talking about a warm or cold front coming in from the west that EVERYONE can watch and see coming and know it's going to rain. Thunderstorms hit and miss, weather fronts move through and are very predictable. There's a difference, but judging from this thread it's easy to see why KY ranks low in education. Just like the earlier post who made my point more valid but thought he was being correct. Incredible. Use common sense folks, that's all I'm saying. If MLB, college, and semi-pro teams use radar to make predictions I guess high schools would be crazy for doing the same thing. I've been to Reds games where they've delayed the start because of "APPROACHING" weather. Wonder how in the world they knew the weather was APPROACHING and that they should delay? I know they wouldn't use radar b.c as we've stated, it's almost always wrong in KY, or at least at the high school level. :-)

Sounds like it didn't "go around" you if it rained and cancelled the JV game. Sounds to me like it came just as predicted, and I'm guessing you are about 75-100 miles east of the E-town/Bowling Green area. Am I right? So you are trying to support my argument for using radar to predict when a game may be rained out before driving 100 miles right? You saw it was going to rain and bygolly it did. Amazing isn't it? Guess what, if you had been 100 miles west then you would have gotten your varsity game rained out in the third inning instead of JV, just like we told them. Thanks for the support, I appreciate it.

Anyone that is 3-3 in the regular season against Mac is a very good coach. I'm guessing Harrison Co. has better players too, since they only reload in their program. Man, this coach has split with Harrison and everyone still doesn't like him. Sounds like Campbell Co. might be a little spoiled. I'd like to know Campbell's record against Harrison before this coach got there. Anyone have that info?

I agree about the ten minute change. Trust me, when I called and their coach said, "The sun's shining and we're lining the field," I should have told him to wait ten minutes and it would all change. haha Instead I told him 2 or 2.5 hours instead so he didn't believe it. I love NKU's comment about the fact that professional and semi-pro teams use radar to help them make decisions but everyone connected to high schools around here says we shouldn't use radar. Guess the guys making money on baseball don't have a clue. They won't waste their money b.c they have to answer to someone about why they blew 2000-3000 or more on labor on a day they didn't play. Well, my AD wants to know why we are spending $200-$300 on a day when we know we can't play. Common sense is going to have to start being used. We're only going to see more budget cuts and higher prices for gas. Booster clubs want to buy t-shirts not gallons of gas.

I'm just saying that 80-100 mile bus trips are starting to cost too much to take the chance. Small schools like mine can't afford to waste $200 even two or three times a year. I just think common sense should come in to play sometime. This has happened to us twice this year and all day long both times we have insisted that we wouldn't be able to play b.c. it was going to rain. Guess that's what happens when people think you are a win for them. I just wonder if these teams would have done the same thing if Harrison Co. or PRP were coming to play them. I'm guessing not since both are .500 teams. And yes, with gas prices where they are I could understand if a school didn't want to risk wasting the money.