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Can Ron Paul win the GOP nomination for 2012 POTUS?

Can Ron Paul win the GOP nomination for 2012 POTUS? 19 members have voted

  1. 1. Can Ron Paul win the GOP nomination for 2012 POTUS?

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Make securing our borders the top national security priority. I think this is a good idea, but lack of details are problematic.

 

1.Physically secure our borders and coastlines. We must do whatever it takes to control entry into our country before we undertake complicated immigration reform proposals.

2.Enforce visa rules. Immigration officials must track visa holders and deport anyone who overstays their visa or otherwise violates U.S. law. This is especially important when we recall that a number of 9/11 terrorists had expired visas.

3.No amnesty. Estimates suggest that 10 to 20 million people are in our country illegally. That’s a lot of people to reward for breaking our laws.

4.No welfare for illegal aliens. Americans have welcomed immigrants who seek opportunity, work hard, and play by the rules. But taxpayers should not pay for illegal immigrants who use hospitals, clinics, schools, roads, and social services.

5.End birthright citizenship. As long as illegal immigrants know their children born here will be citizens, the incentive to enter the U.S. illegally will remain strong.

6.Pass true immigration reform. The current system is incoherent and unfair. But current reform proposals would allow up to 60 million more immigrants into our country, according to the Heritage Foundation. This is insanity. Legal immigrants from all countries should face the same rules and waiting periods.

 

^From his website.

 

Securing our nation isn't merely guarding the borders. Take away the magnets that attract/allows illegals and enforce the laws in place. That secures our nation.

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I, in general, have no love for nation building however if we are the reason that the nation needs to be rebuilt, we probably ought to stay involved to ensure stability and potential allies in the region.

 

That's what his policy is all about. We shouldn't be the reason it needs rebuilt. i.e. Afganistan - He supported going in to Afganistan to go after Bid Laden, however, Bush did exactly what he said he wouldn't do. Rebuild the country and instill democracy (nation building). What was our purpose for Afgan, go after Bid Laden, he escapes in to Pakistan, then go get him. We shouldn't have been in Afganistan for this long.

* Revitalize the military for the 21st century by eliminating waste in a trillion-dollar military budget. Eliminating WASTE is good, potentially gutting useful programs is not.

 

Too general for me to respond.

I think that if enough people are exposed to his message and truly take the time to listen to him, then he can win the GOP nomination.

 

If he wins the GOP, I'd really like to see his debates with Obama. It's possible he could win over enough support to win the whole thing.

 

If he won the nomination, I would very likely vote for him.

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If he won the nomination, I would very likely vote for him.
He's probably the only GOP candidate with a snowball's chance that could get my vote.

^ Like you, I think Obama/Paul debates would be awesome. But unlike you, I think he has a puncher's chance against the President. I think Romney & then Paul would be the most electable candidates in the GOP.

Prevent the TSA from forcing Americans to either be groped or ogled just to travel on an airplane and ultimately abolish the unconstitutional agency. Torn on this one simply on account of potential terrorist action.

 

"In one recent well-publicized case, a TSA official is recorded during an attempted body search saying, “By buying your ticket you gave up a lot of rights.”

 

The solution to the need for security at US airports is not a government bureaucracy. The solution is to allow the private sector, preferably the airlines themselves, to provide for the security of their property. As a recent article in Forbes magazine eloquently stated, “The airlines have enormous sums of money riding on passenger safety, and the notion that a government bureaucracy has better incentives to provide safe travels than airlines with billions of dollars worth of capital and goodwill on the line strains credibility.”

 

SECTION 1. NO IMMUNITY FOR CERTAIN AIRPORT SCREENING METHODS.

 

No law of the United States shall be construed to confer any immunity for a Federal employee or agency or any individual or entity that receives Federal funds, who subjects an individual to any physical contact (including contact with any clothing the individual is wearing), x-rays, or millimeter waves, or aids in the creation of or views a representation of any part of a individual’s body covered by clothing as a condition for such individual to be in an airport or to fly in an aircraft. The preceding sentence shall apply even if the individual or the individual’s parent, guardian, or any other individual gives consent.

 

 

^Ron Paul's legislation introduced to congress.

 

Ron Paul's speech pertaining to this issue

As President, Ron Paul’s national defense policy will ensure that the greatest nation in human history is strong, secure, and respected. This part is just fluff.

 

How so?

1.Physically secure our borders and coastlines. We must do whatever it takes to control entry into our country before we undertake complicated immigration reform proposals. I agree with this in fact I have often been criticized on this site for my opinion on how to secure the border cost effectively.

2.Enforce visa rules. Immigration officials must track visa holders and deport anyone who overstays their visa or otherwise violates U.S. law. This is especially important when we recall that a number of 9/11 terrorists had expired visas. Good idea, probably be cost intensive.

 

3.No amnesty. Estimates suggest that 10 to 20 million people are in our country illegally. That’s a lot of people to reward for breaking our laws. I actually have an alternate perspective on this. I think that we should offer those here illegally the possibility of a path to being here legally. This can be levied via garnishing of wages and such and higher taxes on those here illegally. Those who fail to do so will risk deportation or solitary confinement.

 

4.No welfare for illegal aliens. Americans have welcomed immigrants who seek opportunity, work hard, and play by the rules. But taxpayers should not pay for illegal immigrants who use hospitals, clinics, schools, roads, and social services. I am on board here.

 

 

5.End birthright citizenship. As long as illegal immigrants know their children born here will be citizens, the incentive to enter the U.S. illegally will remain strong. I don't agree with this completely, I think that birthright citizenship should continue only for those naturalized citizens or those here legally. Any who fail to comply will risk the same penalties as above with regards to being here.

 

6.Pass true immigration reform. The current system is incoherent and unfair. But current reform proposals would allow up to 60 million more immigrants into our country, according to the Heritage Foundation. This is insanity. Legal immigrants from all countries should face the same rules and waiting periods. This is something I have been saying from the beginning. I think if you reform the system appropriately and even offer work visas then you will see a major dropoff in the illegal activity.

 

^From his website.

 

Securing our nation isn't merely guarding the borders. Take away the magnets that attract/allows illegals and enforce the laws in place. That secures our nation.

 

My opinion, for what it's worth.

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How so?
What else would you call it? Nothing specific can be gleaned from it except that it makes everyone feel warm and cozy inside.
I agree with him on most things, I always have. I also think that he does not do a good job (much like his son) of preventing people as portraying him as a fringe looney.

 

If you actually look at his plans regarding his stance on issues he makes sense. Sadly, many people label him crazy without understanding what he actually proposes. In Paul's defense, you can't prevent people to portray you as crazy, with a mind such as their own.

Too general for me to respond.

 

Eliminating non-military items in bills for military spending I support. Cutting R&D support for military items I have issue with, I do agree though that much in regards to military spending needs to be reformed. We are already locked into the F-35 boondoggle which it would have been prudent to drop and continue with the F-22 program along with upgrading/updating considerably the current air fleets. Cutting into things like the advanced destroyers and cruisers for the USN I have issue with.

What else would you call it? Nothing specific can be gleaned from it except that it makes everyone feel warm and cozy inside.

 

Exactly! It is just feel good fluff.

What else would you call it? Nothing specific can be gleaned from it except that it makes everyone feel warm and cozy inside.

 

Luckily, I wasn't talking to you.

"In one recent well-publicized case, a TSA official is recorded during an attempted body search saying, “By buying your ticket you gave up a lot of rights.”

 

The solution to the need for security at US airports is not a government bureaucracy. The solution is to allow the private sector, preferably the airlines themselves, to provide for the security of their property. As a recent article in Forbes magazine eloquently stated, “The airlines have enormous sums of money riding on passenger safety, and the notion that a government bureaucracy has better incentives to provide safe travels than airlines with billions of dollars worth of capital and goodwill on the line strains credibility.”

 

SECTION 1. NO IMMUNITY FOR CERTAIN AIRPORT SCREENING METHODS.

 

No law of the United States shall be construed to confer any immunity for a Federal employee or agency or any individual or entity that receives Federal funds, who subjects an individual to any physical contact (including contact with any clothing the individual is wearing), x-rays, or millimeter waves, or aids in the creation of or views a representation of any part of a individual’s body covered by clothing as a condition for such individual to be in an airport or to fly in an aircraft. The preceding sentence shall apply even if the individual or the individual’s parent, guardian, or any other individual gives consent.

 

 

^Ron Paul's legislation introduced to congress.

 

Ron Paul's speech pertaining to this issue

 

I gotcha. That makes much more sense. I might be willing to get behind that one.

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