Tons of bills are introduced by both parties on a regular basis.. Some good, some bad... When Constitutional conflicts occur in the bills they are dropped.. Which is what happened in 93.. So if you are asking why Rep's shifted their support?? Most on the right believe in and support the Constitutional rights of the people...

Simply not true. To suggest that members of congress get the same information as the President is just plain silly.

As commando just pointed out, wrong again...

So all of you guys are suggesting that Pelosi was in the Oval office every morning when the President recieved his security briefing. You are suggesting that the executive branch never meets and discusses issues before they go into a committee room with the legislative branch. You are suggesting that the executive branch never manipulates data (I am not just suggesting Republicans do it) like the yellow cake from Africa.

 

Yes she was briefed, but we all know that was not the first time the President heard the information, now was it ALL of the information.

 

I am sure Obama does the same thing now, and Clinton did it and Bush 1 did it and Reagan and so on . . . but for you guys to say Pelosi had ALL of the same information as Bush is intellectually dishonest and you know it.

So all of you guys are suggesting that Pelosi was in the Oval office every morning when the President recieved his security briefing. You are suggesting that the executive branch never meets and discusses issues before they go into a committee room with the legislative branch. You are suggesting that the executive branch never manipulates data (I am not just suggesting Republicans do it) like the yellow cake from Africa.

 

Yes she was briefed, but we all know that was not the first time the President heard the information, now was it ALL of the information.

 

I am sure Obama does the same thing now, and Clinton did it and Bush 1 did it and Reagan and so on . . . but for you guys to say Pelosi had ALL of the same information as Bush is intellectually dishonest and you know it.

Any proof??

Any proof??

 

The President has a DAILY security briefing.

 

Congress does not.

Sorry, but the security commission is briefed daily as well...

I don't know that I have ever been more right.

 

http://feinstein.senate.gov/crs-intel.htm

 

From the memorandum:

 

By virtue of his constitutional role as commander-and-in-chief and head of the executive branch, the President has access to all national intelligence collected, analyzed and produced by the Intelligence Community. The President's position also affords him the authority - which, at certain times, has been aggressively asserted (1) - to restrict the flow of intelligence information to Congress and its two intelligence committees, which are charged with providing legislative oversight of the Intelligence Community. (2) As a result, the President, and a small number of presidentially-designated Cabinet-level officials, including the Vice President (3) - in contrast to Members of Congress (4) - have access to a far greater overall volume of intelligence and to more sensitive intelligence information, including information regarding intelligence sources and methods. They, unlike Members of Congress, also have the authority to more extensively task the Intelligence Community, and its extensive cadre of analysts, for follow-up information. As a result, the President and his most senior advisors arguably are better positioned to assess the quality of the Community's intelligence more accurately than is Congress.

 

More from the memo:

 

The President is able to control dissemination of intelligence information to Congress because the Intelligence Community is part of the executive branch. It was created by law and executive order principally to serve that branch of government in the execution of its responsibilities. (6) Thus, as the head of the executive branch, the President generally is acknowledged to be "the owner" of national intelligence.

And more . . .

 

Congressional Access to Intelligence Information Not Routinely Provided in Four Areas

 

The executive branch generally does not routinely share with Congress four general types of intelligence information:

 

 

the identities of intelligence sources;

 

the "methods" employed by the Intelligence Community in collecting and analyzing intelligence;

 

"raw" intelligence, which can be unevaluated or "lightly" evaluated intelligence, (18) which in the case of human intelligence (19) sometimes is provided by a single source, but which also could consist of intelligence derived from multiple sources when signals (20) and imagery (21) collection methods are employed; and,

 

certain written intelligence products tailored to the specific needs of the President and other high-level executive branch policymakers. Included in the last category is the President's Daily Brief (PDB), a written intelligence product which is briefed daily to the President, and which consists of six to eight relatively short articles or briefs covering a broad array of topics. (22) The PDB emphasizes current intelligence (23) and is viewed as highly sensitive, in part, because it can contain intelligence source and operational information. Its dissemination is thus limited to the President and a small number of presidentially-designated senior administration policymakers.

So again, please someone tell me how Nancy Pelosi had the same information as the President/

So again, please someone tell me how Nancy Pelosi had the same information as the President/

Why don't you ask her?? She said it herself... They DO receive the same info... Just the the sources or how the intelligence is acquired is not revealed... Go back and read your own post more carefully... Pelosi WAS in the room and got the same info...Try again..

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Why don't you ask her?? She said it herself... They DO receive the same info... Just the the sources or how the intelligence is acquired is not revealed... Go back and read your own post more carefully... Pelosi WAS in the room and got the same info...Try again..

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The intelligence MEMO says that the President is privy to more information and is entitled to more info and will always get more info. It was written in 2005 when Congress was trying to get more info. You cannot escape what this MEMO says no matter how much you try to discount. Please read the link. See who wrote and why it was written. It is really not that hard.

 

Whatever you may want to think, Congress was NOT privy to all of the intelligence information the President was/is nor will they ever be, nor should they be.

 

How do you dismiss this information?

I'm not dismissing it... Please read carefully..Fully and currently informed..

 

The President's otherwise exclusive control over national intelligence, however, is tempered by a statutory obligation to keep Congress, through its two congressional intelligence committees, "fully and currently informed of all intelligence activities..." (7) Current law also prevents the executive branch from withholding intelligence information from the committees on the grounds that providing the information to the congressional intelligence committees would constitute the unauthorized disclosure of classified information or information relating to intelligence sources and methods. (8)

The intelligence MEMO says that the President is privy to more information and is entitled to more info and will always get more info. It was written in 2005 when Congress was trying to get more info. You cannot escape what this MEMO says no matter how much you try to discount. Please read the link. See who wrote and why it was written. It is really not that hard.

 

Whatever you may want to think, Congress was NOT privy to all of the intelligence information the President was/is nor will they ever be, nor should they be.

 

How do you dismiss this information?

 

Did she not say she had the same information as the President?

 

Should we not take her at her word?

I will post this part again:

 

The president has the authority

 

(1) - to restrict the flow of intelligence information to Congress and its two intelligence committees, which are charged with providing legislative oversight of the Intelligence Community. (2) As a result, the President, and a small number of presidentially-designated Cabinet-level officials, including the Vice President (3) - in contrast to Members of Congress (4) - have access to a far greater overall volume of intelligence and to more sensitive intelligence information, including information regarding intelligence sources and methods. They, unlike Members of Congress, also have the authority to more extensively task the Intelligence Community, and its extensive cadre of analysts, for follow-up information. As a result, the President and his most senior advisors arguably are better positioned to assess the quality of the Community's intelligence more accurately than is Congress. :ohbrother:

You didn't answer my question Ace. Did she say she had the same info. as the President?