So according to the above statement anyone that is anti-union could be accused as being a Nazi sympathizer ? Like someone said the term is too easily bandied about and extremely counterproductive .

So according to the above statement anyone that is anti-union could be accused as being a Nazi sympathizer ? Like someone said the term is too easily bandied about and extremely counterproductive .

 

Well said.

While the term "Nazi" is often equated to simply being anti-Jewish, major components of the National Socialism platform included opposition to finance capitalism and support of a very strong and controlling central govt. At least on those two grounds the term Nazi may fit Ms. Pelosi.

 

For the record, I have no reason to believe that Ms. Pelosi is anti Jewish. She also is obviously not anti union as the Nazis were.

 

You list the denotative definition.

 

Most people hear the connotative definition.

You list the denotative definition.

 

Most people hear the connotative definition.

 

I can see some validity in both your argument and LN's argument.

 

In general though, I think people's concern over the "connotative definition" of words is one of the reasons there are so many ridiculous euphemisms and bogus terminologies in the world right now. Take my buddy's wife for example...she was born in Cuernavaca, Mexico. She works at a courthouse, and at one point in the last year made a comment about the fact that she was "Mexican" within earshot of a judge, at which point, she was instructed by that judge to "refrain from calling herself Mexican because of the stigma associated with the term". By stigma, one would assume that the judge was referring to the fact that "Mexican" is often a blanket-term associated with illegal Hispanic workers. Should my friend's wife, who was born in Mexico, refrain from calling herself Mexican because of the connotation that arises in many people's heads when they hear someone referred to as "Mexican"?

 

Nonetheless, I would have to agree that in the specific case of the term "Nazi", there should be a degree of caution taken when using the word, seeing as the Nazi party not only supported the majority of the National Socialist ideals, but they also wiped out two thirds of the Jews in Europe and Russia.

I can see some validity in both your argument and LN's argument.

 

In general though, I think people's concern over the "connotative definition" of words is one of the reasons there are so many ridiculous euphemisms and bogus terminologies in the world right now. Take my buddy's wife for example...she was born in Cuernavaca, Mexico. She works at a courthouse, and at one point in the last year made a comment about the fact that she was "Mexican" within earshot of a judge, at which point, she was instructed by that judge to "refrain from calling herself Mexican because of the stigma associated with the term". By stigma, one would assume that the judge was referring to the fact that "Mexican" is often a blanket-term associated with illegal Hispanic workers. Should my friend's wife, who was born in Mexico, refrain from calling herself Mexican because of the connotation that arises in many people's heads when they hear someone referred to as "Mexican"?

 

Nonetheless, I would have to agree that in the specific case of the term "Nazi", there should be a degree of caution taken when using the word, seeing as the Nazi party not only supported the majority of the National Socialist ideals, but they also wiped out two thirds of the Jews in Europe and Russia.

 

I don't disagree with you or KyTmNCC. My point was that the National Socialists held more beliefs than just their anti-Semitic beliefs. To think that Nazism was only about exterminating the Jews is factually and historically inaccurate. They believed in total control by the central govt; they were anti union; they prosecuted homosexuals, they were anti capitalist, etc.

 

This thread proves, once again, the point that "labels" are very difficult to apply to people. A Republican that may agree with all planks in the R platform except the anti abortion plank quickly gets labelled a RINO for example.

 

Again, I'm not saying that Pelosi is a "Nazi". The point of my original post was to make clear that the National Socialist party was "more than" just being anti Semitic.

I don't disagree with you or KyTmNCC. My point was that the National Socialists held more beliefs than just their anti-Semitic beliefs. To think that Nazism was only about exterminating the Jews is factually and historically inaccurate. They believed in total control by the central govt; they were anti union; they prosecuted homosexuals, they were anti capitalist, etc.

 

This thread proves, once again, the point that "labels" are very difficult to apply to people. A Republican that may agree with all planks in the R platform except the anti abortion plank quickly gets labelled a RINO for example.

 

Again, I'm not saying that Pelosi is a "Nazi". The point of my original post was to make clear that the National Socialist party was "more than" just being anti Semitic.

 

Gotcha gotcha :thumb: